juliekitty
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| LePetitPrince wrote: | | ^^ you are not reading my whole posts . |
Did you just realize this now? |
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LePetitPrince
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| Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| ^^ They do it for easy money and for mindless effort . In other jobs you need to use your brain in order to succeed. |
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Preston
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| fabshelly wrote: |
you've made up your mind, like Bill O'Reilly |
I watch the show occasionally. I'd say he's among the more rational and straight-forward talking heads out there, and it helps to why the show's ratings are so high. Not that he doesn't have emotionally-based opinions, or that I always agree with him. Also, because I like the right-leaning show doesn't mean I'm against dating a stripper.
The spat between LePetitPrince and fabshelly has been amusing and entertaining thus far. I'd often say, "can't we all just get along," but here I'm going to specifically encourage you two to get it on. The "PetitPenis" was a nice touch. A witticism about the other's mother, or blackism like "ima whoop yo ass" could turn this epic. Sorry, I'm terrible  |
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psych
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| D1nk0 wrote: | Now fabshelly: I have no doubt that stripping pays fairly well, HOWEVER there certainly ARE plenty of other jobs that pay as well( if not even better) than stripping. The impression that I got from one stripper who I used to chat with on Yahoo about 5-6 years ago is that she wasnt doing it just for the money, she was doing it because she honestly enjoyed it. Thats the impression I get from a lot of the younger strippers: the real reason they do it is because they get off on it. I mean, if you have the urge to flaunt your sexuality why not do it where you get paid for it?  Bear in mind that Not every woman has the urge to show off her body, for some women getting the kind of sexual attention from total strangers makes them feel very uncomfortable. But what I dont get is WHY some of the women who posted to this thread continue to try in vain to deny the sexually provocative nature of exotic dancing. |
What little i know about stripping comes from my ex/friend, who used to do it many years before we met. Some of the things shes said (based on working most of the london clubs);
- a minority of women actually lose money - they dont earn enough to cover the fee you have to pay the club per night.
- having been raised in an abusive, repressive religious family, it was a way to help blow the religious sh** out of her psyche. |
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ToadOfSteel
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| Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| psych wrote: | | - having been raised in an abusive, repressive religious family, it was a way to help blow the religious sh** out of her psyche. |
I hope you're not implying that all religious families are abusive and repressive... |
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psych
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| Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| ToadOfSteel wrote: | | psych wrote: | | - having been raised in an abusive, repressive religious family, it was a way to help blow the religious sh** out of her psyche. |
I hope you're not implying that all religious families are abusive and repressive... |
Well i wasnt, but now you mention it... 
Indoctrinating children into a divisive and limiting belief system is hardly the opposite of abusive and repressive, iyswim.
But no, im certainly not implying that all religious families are abusive in the extreme sense that i had in mind describing this particular family. But if your an abusive parent and you happen to be religious, obviously that can influence the forms the abuse takes - particularly around expression of sexuality - so it is worth mentioning in this example.
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pakled
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thank heavens I made it to the end of this rant before they lock the thread...
After losing my first wife, I spent several years occasionally going to strip clubs (or 'Gentlemen's Clubs') as they call them down here. Standards vary by state and region. In NC/SC, it's you can drink anything, and all you want, but topless only. Have to at least have a thong on. Also, you touch a 'girl', and you're given flying lessons...without benefit of an airplane. Dating customers was a no-no, so don't bother. They spent as much time talking to customers (required, between dances, you bought them drinks, which they got a commish on), and hawking club merchandise (t-shirts, etc.) as anything else. It IS a job, and not always as glamorous as you'd think. A lot of women do do it for the money (my stepdaughter worked in a club for a while as a waitress. The money was good, but the hours sucked.... A number do it to have enough money for drugs. A surprising number are lesbians (but where else would you go to meet beautiful women..., which always cracked me up, for the sheer irony of it.
Now in Texas, (El Paso), the time I went there, it was all-nude (but it's an Army town.., but you had to bring your own alchohol... But still, there were the bouncers, and still, it was a lot of money wasted..
I know it's not every woman's 1st choice to do, but I'm more curious than possibly judgmental about it. From what I hear, having boyfriends (or girlfriends) is really tough, because of all the suspicion and misconceptions... |
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fabshelly
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| Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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With no education, $400+ per DAY? Please, show me and I'll drop everything and go do it.
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Mikomi
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| D1nk0 wrote: | | Quote: | | To dismiss the possibility of a relationship with a person based on their job might be letting go of what could be a really happy, fulfilling relationship with a wonderful person. |
What if they're a porn actor? Or better yet, what if they're an Escort?
Would you feel comfortable if your hubby decided to beome a Gigolo? You see, sex workers(not precluding strippers)really Do have difficulty with relationships considering that their job involves direct or even indirect sexual behviour towards strangers. Undoubtedly there are strippers who dont whore themselves out but you cannot deny the sexual nature of dancing with your clothes off in front of the opposite sex. Women who like to show off their bodies without having to interact personally with their male audience become burlesque dancers. Strippers on the other hand actually meet and talk to patrons of the club. |
Just saying that not all people who are employed as adult dancers fit the stereotypes. For a lot of ladies (or guys) it's a temporary thing, simply a point in their lives that comes and goes, a step from one point to the next. Is it the best step? Perhaps not, but it may beat some alternatives. I try not to judge a person before having enough information. |
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D1nk0
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| Quote: | | Just saying that not all people who are employed as adult dancers fit the stereotypes. |
I think already acknowledged this about a million times already in this thread. Moreover if a woman I was dating confided in me that she's a former stripper I really wouldnt have a problem with that. But dating someone who's currently
employed as a stripper is another matter altogether. Its not about the kind of person who would do a job like that as claimed by LePetitePrince, is the very NATURE of the job itself. |
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fabshelly
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Well, if you have a problem with what she does for a living - for whatever reason - then you should find someone else or go it alone.
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LePetitPrince
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| Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:21 am Post subject: |
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| fabshelly wrote: | | With no education, $400+ per DAY? Please, show me and I'll drop everything and go do it. |
What's weird (not really) that prostitutes use the same excuse as well. |
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D1nk0
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Fair enough fabshelly. That b***h pretty much DID brake things off with me. I suppose its for the better since
she continually accused me of being Stalkerish. But now I really see how a persons job can have a whopping impact on their life and how they relate to people. Perhaps theres a reason why that woman is Still single and has had such a problem with stalkers before....she herself admitted that she thinks her job has something to do with it. What can I say?
She should really take a good hard look at herself and the way she treats men. |
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LePetitPrince
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^ it's not really the 'job' itself ...but the girl/guy who accepts intentionally to work in such kind of job would just have a certain mindset:
-Super Materialistic
-Shallow
-They feel proud about their bodies
-Have no shyness
-Rude
-Players
-Sex maniacs
-See most of the other gender as sex objects
-See the bf/gf just as emotional support
-Money is the primary thing in their life and they'll justify anything for getting it |
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psych
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| LePetitPrince wrote: | | ^^ They do it for easy money and for mindless effort . In other jobs you need to use your brain in order to succeed. |
I dont think its fair to say erotic dancing is 'mindless' or 'effortless' - i would think the ability to move your body in a seductive and highly arousing way takes a certain focus, and youd improve with practice. Its definately not something that would come easily to everyone.
But dont take my word for it, give it a go yourself! (obviously i dont mean with an audience, just at home in front of a mirror) |
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