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AspieDave
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Uhhhh.... you do the flogging THEN the hanging.... the other way around isn't nasty enough....
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Zarathustra
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Ah! You'd think so, wouldn't you? In Britain Hanging [Briefly] comes first, then a nice cup of tea to revive you, then disemboweling/castration, a quick [c. 8 hours] game of cricket, followed by being chopped into quarters and your head stuck on a stick at the crossroads. Following the recent implimentation of the Human Rights Act, the cricket has been dropped from the schedule.
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SuedeIII
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AS is not an excuse for anything.
My concern is how the penal system handles a criminal with AS.
What happens to an aspie thrown in a cage with that element of society? This surely needs to be considered. |
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Maxrebo
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If you use AS as defense if you commited the punishment should be dished out by a council of aspies and involving the aspies doing something because I am afraid how the penal system treats aspies . That an AS is no exuse for a crime espically a crime against a child.
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velodog
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Having AS has screwed my life up enough without adding the potential of anyone labeling me as culpable based on some CRIMINAL using AS as the new "abuse excuse". If we desire to be treated as equals in society by the so called NT's then it really won't do to say "we are your equals, but we can't be trusted to know right from wrong" now would it  How the hell are we equal if we are not competent enough to know not to steal, murder etc.? |
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EvilKimEvil
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Joined: Sep 27, 2007
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Location: CA
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| velodog wrote: | | Having AS has screwed my life up enough without adding the potential of anyone labeling me as culpable based on some CRIMINAL using AS as the new "abuse excuse". If we desire to be treated as equals in society by the so called NT's then it really won't do to say "we are your equals, but we can't be trusted to know right from wrong" now would it How the hell are we equal if we are not competent enough to know not to steal, murder etc.? |
I agree. Most of us don't want to be considered mentally ill, right? And most of us do want to be given credit for our actions, be they good, bad, or otherwise?
If our crimes are judged as accidents, our successes may be as well. |
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Apuleyo
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I'm just gonna say what lots of other people say and think, for the sake of making this opinion stronger:
AS is not a disorder, people with AS are very capable to think before acting and their autistic traits do not interfere with the ability to discern right and wrong. Therefore, being an aspie or autie is not an excuse for doing wrongful actions and should be prosecuted by the law if they break it.
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Warsie
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Age: 17
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Location: Chicago, IL USA
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considering the crap laws and social stigmas in place, I say everyone needs a break.
EDIT: Especially considering the absolutist "Right from Wrong". As if there is such a set standard. Even here this type of social bs filters in. "Get him, he's evil" and "flog him" and "punishment deterrs". Society is the real threat and many of the cases these "crimes" are simply a result of society's crap.
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Warsie
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| miserylovescompany wrote: | | Yes, I agree, AS is NO excuse for collecting child porn, no condition or disability or anything is ever an excuse for this kind of DISGUSTING behavour, period. |
can you explain why you think so? (other than the whole "it's evil, disgusting" argument thrown out there by the mainstream?
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The_Cucumber
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The bottom line is that if we want to be treated as equals, we simply can't have people blaming criminal behavior on AS. There are some mental conditions that can cause a disregard for right and wrong but AS is probably not one of them. Sure there will be criminal Aspies. In a country where as many as 1 out of ever 250 people have Asperger's Syndrome and 1 out of every 100 people are imprisoned. It stands to reason that one out of every 75,000 people are both. And in a country with 300 million people that comes to 4,000 imprisoned people with Asperger's Syndrome when the variables are independent.
So there will be plenty of cases where people with AS commit crimes, because there are so many of us statistics demand there will be lunatics among us.
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Pepperfire
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| Zarathustra wrote: | | I think what most people who post here don't realize, is that we're the autistic elite. The Very High Functioning Autistics - looking down from lofty heights on our more disabled brethren. Spend a little time researching autism and forensics and remember there are Aspies out there, that are as disabled as non-verbal LFA's. I'll be back in time for you GoogleHounds' responses. |
I doubt the LFAs are out there committing crimes.
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Macbeth
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| Zarathustra wrote: | | Ah! You'd think so, wouldn't you? In Britain Hanging [Briefly] comes first, then a nice cup of tea to revive you, then disemboweling/castration, a quick [c. 8 hours] game of cricket, followed by being chopped into quarters and your head stuck on a stick at the crossroads. Following the recent implimentation of the Human Rights Act, the cricket has been dropped from the schedule. |
Ahh, the good old days, when criminals had LESS rights than victims.
It all depends on the style of hanging. Being hung slowly causes slow strangulation. A short drop and a quick stop (which was the style in the sixties) breaks your neck.. in theory.
As for the thread... People are thinking in absolutes. "All people convicted of paedophilia must burn because they are evil nonces" etc ... Instead of considering each case on its own merits. "He liked regular porn but because some tards label EVERYTHING with lolita he ended up with dubious pictures and got busted". Thus, if someone in the justice system has AS, or any other conditions at all, that should be studied as part of the case, and possibly taken into account.
Consider the possibilities.. certain conditions acting upon a person of an autistic nature are akin to being tortured, either mentally or physically. Torture (despite the CIA) is against your human rights. You have a right to defend yourself. You may even be driven to the level of temporary insanity by such a thing. If I get busted for punching someone in the face for making chewing noises even AFTER they have been warned several times that the noise is to me like having nails screwed into my ears, then I want the courts to be damn well aware of that fact. Aspergers may not be an excuse, but it can aqnd does constitute a defense.
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Danielismyname
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It depends on the crime, and the intent behind such.
As is often written in literature, the boy who was obsessed with trains went and "stole" a train and took it for a ride; he saw that he was doing nothing wrong, after all, he wasn't going to hurt anyone (he didn't, and it didn't even cross his mind). So he would have seen that people would understand this completely due to the fact that he can only see his side (a lacking of the usual theory of mind). |
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