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Mumof5
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Between this thread and the one about Alex speaking at the UN conference, I am confused on Obama's stance when it comes to Autism. Does he want to help because he realizes that autism isn't a disease that is 'destroying our children' or does he want to cure because he said it IS a disease that is destroying our children....?
Love your picture btw, Lekiwi, it about sums it all up for me.
I will not vote for Clinton because she is someone who, even her good friends refer to her as an evil woman, and her BS about universal health care makes me realize that she obviously has never spoken to anyone in Australia, Canada or the UK about how bad universal health care can be. I'm sorry but I do not think it is fair that a person who makes minimum wage is going to spend the exact same amount for care as someone who makes 6+ figures a year. I also do not fancy the idea of paying 40+% in taxes, nor do I like the fact that you'll have to wait months to years for basic appointments and care.
McCain...Okay well I have seen the effects of post-war PTSD first hand, and, maybe I'm a bad person, but I do not see him as being mentally stable enough to be our president. I do like his stance on Iraq and Iran; (Iraq needs a bit more time to stabilize before they can be on their own after so many years of war, torture, etc. and yes, contrary to what the media tries to convince us of, Iran is a threat - they want to destroy Western Civilization and most of them are raising their kids to hate us and to want to kill us all. ) But McCain also talks down to people, he thinks he is better than all of us and a man who thinks that, in my eyes, does not represent me at all.
As far as Obama, I trust him less than I do McCain, as I completely see him as someone who talks out of his butt. His favourite word is CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE. Yet he never truly goes into details on how he is going to incorporate these changes, how he is planning on paying for these changes, etc. He wants more social welfare programs...great, that means more taxes for people who actually get off of their butts and work for a living. And yes, I am quite aware that there are people who cannot hold down a job due to mental or physical issues, but you all know as well as I do that about 90% of the people on welfare programs are only there because they are too lazy or too busy sitting around feeling sorry for themselves to get a job.
While people have spent the last few years doing some serious "Bush-Bashing" no one seems to mention the fact that since 9-11-01, there have been no more terrorist attacks on American soil. I do not want this to change, I like being safe and I never again want to feel like I did on September 11th 2001.
The only thing I can say is, do NOT let the media choose your candidate for you. This is the biggest 'media election' we have ever had, and 99% of all media these days are biased and have their own agendas. Research the candidates yourself and if something doesn't feel right or seem right, then trust that intuition. As far as me...I'll probably just write in Romney, sure it's a wasted vote, but I don't think I could live with myself if I voted for the other three. And I am still convinced that considering what dire economic straits that this country is in, that Romney would have been the best choice for America...too bad everyone got hung up on the whole Mormon thing :/.
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catspurr
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| Obama and Clinton are both panderers. |
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Oceanlover
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: Barack Obama's Stance on Autism and Asperger's |
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| alex wrote: | From Obama's plan for change:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/disabilities/
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/AutismSpectrumDisorders.pdf
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Supporting Americans Living with Autism Spectrum Disorders: More than one million Americans live with an autism spectrum disorder (ASD), a complex neurobiological condition that has a range of impacts on thinking, feeling, language, and the ability to relate to others. As diagnostic criteria broaden and awareness increases, more cases of ASD have been recognized across the country. Barack Obama believes we need to research treatments and search for the causes of ASD. He has been a strong supporter of more than $1 billion in federal funding for ASD research on the root causes and treatments. Obama believes we must work to guarantee that Americans with ASD can live independent and fully productive lives and to assure that their families understand and are able to support a loved one with ASD. Obama will fully fund the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act to ensure that no child with ASD or any other disability is left behind. Obama will also fight to assure that the government and our communities work together to provide a helping hand to people with ASD and their families.
Obama has a long record supporting people with ASD. In the state senate, Obama sponsored legislation that became law to create the ASD Program - a systems development initiative designed to promote the implementation of evidence-based practices. And in the U.S. Senate, Obama is also a cosponsor of a measure that would expand federal funding for life-long services for people with ASD, authorizing approximately $350 million in new federal funding for key programs related to treatments, interventions and services for both children and adults with ASD. |
I found this through the Autism bulletin. |
I agree 110%- this is why it pays to have a candidate who sees that everyone is different! |
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Maxrebo
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No its not communisim this contry is to dependent on free enterprise and the private sector,mainly big buisness and we are paying the price for example no child left behind was created with the help of huntinton learning center so it was made to their benfit while me and other american teens are paying the price. That and they support poverty buy making sure the rich get richer and the poorget pushed into the mud. That and the republicans trying to merge religion with government. This create a problem because their are those who make $50,000 a year living comfortably then their are those who make less than that but dont qualify for welfare and live like crap and still have to flip the bill for those are on welfare. But its not that I dont support welfare but their are those in this country who life better than me and they are on welfare and the worst part is some of them are not even trying to get a job and some are capable of getting a job. or are even illegal. I hate that why does my family have suffer being poor and their are people who break the law to get here and expect a free handout. This is made worst that rhode island has lots of special needs and autistic kids but no support for them.
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JerryHatake
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | those who make $50,000 a year living |
Well I'm macroeconomics theory and that $50,000 year living doesn't mean that person is wealthy. J.B. Say's Law states "Wealth is not determined by money but the good and services that are produced"
I trust Obama and what Autism Speaks said at UN on World Autism Day was their own words not his.
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Under the lesser evil test, we can hope one of them is.
Government by special interest has taken over, and it is not the people.
On where will the money come from, the percentage spent on defense, leaves some petty cash for everything else.
He says a million when the 1 in 150 says two million, then says spend $350 each on them.
"For less than a dollar a day you can change the life of an Autistic person."
Hillery said autism costs $35 Billion a year.
They are both looking for the parent vote, and that million or so votes is worth pandering to before an election.
I half agree with nutbag, if you want it, do it yourself. but when the only game in town is crooked, you still play.
Alex is a great spoksperson, but this is not much of an activist group.
We need a Political Action Comittie. The Wrong Planet PAC, because bribes are the system.
Fellow Feringi! What will the next Grand Negus think of us, if we do not donate to his cause now!
We do not have many votes, so there is only one way we can speak.
A lot of money does get spent on us, and we are letting others have the say where.
The smallest noticable bribe is $2500. We spot Alex some money, he has a check to wave, and win, lose, or settled by the Supreme Court, Alex is a player.
Only Pawns play for free, power pieces have a check, and pay to play.
If the horse he picks loses, Alex is still a player, once on the doner list, you become real in D.C.
Doners get invitations, this Board, that Comittie, and WP may be 100,000 or more in four years.
On the second part, where I agree with Nutbag, I love visiting with you all, but we do nothing.
We should have some service role. Our best is in helping parents, Smelena says so, and no one crosses her! We do need it sorted, and she would be great, at least a pamphlet,
"What I learned from Autistics, about raising Autistics."
There are printing costs, mailing, but some free help goes a long way in changing public opinion.
Wrong Planet wins the Autistic vote, but parents go to Autisim Speaks, because they advertise.
It is called Propaganda, and you will not change public opinion without it.
Cure-Anti-Cure, we lose. A Cure would be good, but, until one is found, here is what you can do that has been proven to help.
Most people do not understand science, the reasons a cure is highly unlikely. You cannot argue with ignorance. They want to do something, and there are non-life threating treatments that do work.
Herding, you slowly move the herd in a direction. Once they are thinking treatment, you win.
It is what I am doing now, getting you to see that we must act as one, make choices, and provide service, if we want to be considered to be reasonable people who are trying to help.
I do not look to Autism Speaks, or the next President, to promote Alex and his message, that is for us to do.
This is not a NonProfit, or a Private Club, it is an open door for us to show that we are real, useful, helpful, and there are millions of us.
We have an issue that bonds us very strongly, we cannot quit, join another party or religion, we are lifers.
I sent a copy of squier's book to Smelena, because I knew of nothing better. She found it helpful.
He wrote a first person view from thirteen, it is real.
We have the materials, the people, and it is our lives we make better, and the millions like us.
So click on, Support Wrong Planet Awareness, and send Alex the power to keep this going. |
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Chibi_Neko
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:35 am Post subject: |
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Obama's cool. If I were an Americain, I'd vote for him.
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Speckles
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I'm confused. Why is everyone saying Healthcare in Canada is bad? I live here, and I can say it's pretty good. It also costs a lot less overall then the American System, even in relative terms. When you don't have to pay the shareholder, you save a lot of money.
It certainly seems way better then the American system. While some people have suggested it might be a good idea to have a commercial healthcare system in addition to the main one, I've never met a single Canadian who wants to adopt the American's 'everyone for yourself, if you're sick and poor then just go die' system.
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helene
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| I am a delegate for Obama, I have heard both Clintons and Obama speak and I like Obama's positions the best. |
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ToadOfSteel
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Psycho_jimmy
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Why are all the candidates puppets?
Really, putting an idiot in charge of a super-power. You think the U.S. would have learned their lesson...
I don't like Clinton; she's a femenist bitch who's only in politics because of her connections.
Obama has no international concept whatsoever, and McCain is a nut. And a frozen chips brand.
There are intelligent people in America, I'm sure - where are they hiding?
Oh, wait - if they are smart, they'd have stayed away from politics. Answered my own question. |
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Roxas_XIII
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| Psycho_jimmy wrote: | Why are all the candidates puppets?
Really, putting an idiot in charge of a super-power. You think the U.S. would have learned their lesson...
I don't like Clinton; she's a femenist bitch who's only in politics because of her connections.
Obama has no international concept whatsoever, and McCain is a nut. And a frozen chips brand.
There are intelligent people in America, I'm sure - where are they hiding?
Oh, wait - if they are smart, they'd have stayed away from politics. Answered my own question. |
There are intelligent people in America, but unfortunately they are a minority, and as such, don't have the majority vote that is held by the VIP (Village Idiots Party)
My U.S. history teacher says we should regulate the vote based on people's intelligence. I for one agree with him. Deny the ignorant stupid people the right to vote, and see how fast this country pulls out of its continuing downward spiral.
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Teoka
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I completely agree with Mumof5. When it comes down to it, though, I think that McCain would do a great job. ^_^ He's not as fundie-like as Bush and seems willing to work bipartisanly.
Obama is so far left it makes the Kennedys gag, and Clinton's plan for universal healthcare is just awful. Let's just keep things the way they are and NOT hand our medical costs over to the government. They f**** up everything else, so what makes them think that the government can manage healthcare properly?
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JerryHatake
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| Teoka wrote: | I completely agree with Mumof5. When it comes down to it, though, I think that McCain would do a great job. ^_^ He's not as fundie-like as Bush and seems willing to work bipartisanly.
Obama is so far left it makes the Kennedys gag, and Clinton's plan for universal healthcare is just awful. Let's just keep things the way they are and NOT hand our medical costs over to the government. They f**** up everything else, so what makes them think that the government can manage healthcare properly? |
McCain is actually more Liberal than Conservative. Plus is the youth on his side? I have nothing against him.
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normally_impaired
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| I'm suprised, and happy to see this. I thought for sure that he was going to go the way of Hillary who doesn't bother to do any research into Autism and instead just says that she's going to dump massive amounts of money into Autism Speaks assuming that they know the best way to take care of it. |
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