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codarac
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| snake321 wrote: | | But it's not easy for any middle or lower class person to make a name for themselves, especially now days. White, black, brown, red, yellow, tan, or islander, or mixed, we're all the same. it's not easy for anyone to get anywhere anymore unless they come from wealth or have already made a fortune for themselves. I'd say we face a class struggle more than a race struggle, and I wish we could all fight this class struggle together. |
Snake, a person’s race is an extension of their family. It is kinship, not “class”, that is the natural source of loyalty and altruism, with the ultimate aim being genetic continuity. All peoples throughout history have instinctively understood this.
What is happening in the West at the moment then, is unique. The Western elites have turned against their own kin. The European people are being deliberately replaced – in their ancestral homelands in Europe, and in the nations they’ve built, such as the US.
If this were happening to any other people, they would not be fooled into thinking they were facing a class struggle. Such blindness only serves the interests of the elites and of the non-Europeans among us (and the ones soon to arrive). What the elites fear more than anything is not talk of class struggle, but the European people awakening to nature.
For all your numerous posts opposing political correctness, your standpoint is still liberalism, just as mine was for most of my life – just as seems to be the default position of our age in fact.
| snake321 wrote: | | White people **could** wallow around talking about how other whites or how arabs screwed us up from slavery so many hundreds or thousands of years ago, but we're not. Jews could claim being enslaved to the Egyptians screwed them up thousands of years ago, but they don't. We've got people coming here to US to live, who've previously lived under Red China, Cuba, Iran, Russia, in situations that make the typical AA's life look like heaven. But none of them come over here and wallow in the past, they see it as an opportunity for a new day to shine for them and they take it. |
Surely blacks talk up their own victimhood (while demanding reparations and public funds) as a way of advancing their own ethnic interests. Jews meanwhile have the Holocaust ™, and the “anti-Semite” slur. Muslims have “Islamophobia”. All these people have formed groups in the West devoted to advancing their own interests. This is human nature, and this is what you get in a multiracial society. |
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snake321
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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| codarac wrote: | | snake321 wrote: | | But it's not easy for any middle or lower class person to make a name for themselves, especially now days. White, black, brown, red, yellow, tan, or islander, or mixed, we're all the same. it's not easy for anyone to get anywhere anymore unless they come from wealth or have already made a fortune for themselves. I'd say we face a class struggle more than a race struggle, and I wish we could all fight this class struggle together. |
Snake, a person’s race is an extension of their family. It is kinship, not “class”, that is the natural source of loyalty and altruism, with the ultimate aim being genetic continuity. All peoples throughout history have instinctively understood this.
What is happening in the West at the moment then, is unique. The Western elites have turned against their own kin. The European people are being deliberately replaced – in their ancestral homelands in Europe, and in the nations they’ve built, such as the US.
If this were happening to any other people, they would not be fooled into thinking they were facing a class struggle. Such blindness only serves the interests of the elites and of the non-Europeans among us (and the ones soon to arrive). What the elites fear more than anything is not talk of class struggle, but the European people awakening to nature.
For all your numerous posts opposing political correctness, your standpoint is still liberalism, just as mine was for most of my life – just as seems to be the default position of our age in fact.
| snake321 wrote: | | White people **could** wallow around talking about how other whites or how arabs screwed us up from slavery so many hundreds or thousands of years ago, but we're not. Jews could claim being enslaved to the Egyptians screwed them up thousands of years ago, but they don't. We've got people coming here to US to live, who've previously lived under Red China, Cuba, Iran, Russia, in situations that make the typical AA's life look like heaven. But none of them come over here and wallow in the past, they see it as an opportunity for a new day to shine for them and they take it. |
Surely blacks talk up their own victimhood (while demanding reparations and public funds) as a way of advancing their own ethnic interests. Jews meanwhile have the Holocaust ™, and the “anti-Semite” slur. Muslims have “Islamophobia”. All these people have formed groups in the West devoted to advancing their own interests. This is human nature, and this is what you get in a multiracial society. |
I will agree that they are in many ways replacing white culture and white people. However, South Africa for one has also been targeted high on the list for depopulation. I hardly think you can put a color on this codorac, it's just mindless finger pointing to do so. If you can't smell the sh** on your own knees, you can't go knocking other peoples' doors down. That is called hypocracy.
Why do people have to gravitate towards extremes? Why does it always have to be "us vs. them"? Why does there have to always be a "them"? Just because I don't kiss a minorities ass doesn't mean I can't respect them..... You make it sound like if I'm not biased against ethnics, then by default I MUST be biased against white people. As if no middle ground or compromise exists. Not being a 1-sided racist idiot doesn't make me "politically correct". |
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NewportBeachDude
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| codarac wrote: | | What is happening in the West at the moment then, is unique. The Western elites have turned against their own kin. The European people are being deliberately replaced – in their ancestral homelands in Europe, and in the nations they’ve built, such as the US. |
What?! You're...joking?
Give me an example please. |
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merr
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| Codorac, the USA is an entirely DIFFERENT story than Europe. The US was built on whites, blacks and Native Americans SINCE THE BEGINNING of this country. The majority of black families in this country have been here longer than many European families. And the land was taken away from the Native Americans. If you want to make a point about Europe and make your argument credible, leave the USA out of it. |
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codarac
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| NewportBeachDude wrote: | | codarac wrote: | | What is happening in the West at the moment then, is unique. The Western elites have turned against their own kin. The European people are being deliberately replaced – in their ancestral homelands in Europe, and in the nations they’ve built, such as the US. |
What?! You're...joking?
Give me an example please. |
NewportBeachDude, it can take one years to see what is in front of one’s own nose. If and when you ever do, you will be amazed that other people can’t see it too.
Look, as things stand, the native people of Britain are forecast to become a minority in their own homeland by 2100.
In the USA, a country built by whites for whites, whites are forecast to become a minority by 2050.
This is down to immigration. It is not by some unstoppable force of nature that the doors to Britain and the US have become open to the Third World, nor was there ever a moral obligation on the native Britons and white Americans to open them. No, Britain and the US have opened their doors to the Third World because the elites want it.
Immigration, NewportBeachDude, is ethnic conquest by another name. Those native Britons and white Americans who protest are routinely demonised, fired from their jobs, and – in Britain at least – even arrested. You see, no one is to be allowed to stand in the way of the elite’s plans.
And if people do not stand up against it when they are 70% or 80% of the population, it’s going to be even more difficult when they are 40% or 20% or 10%.
Judging by some of your other posts though, you as a white American seem to think the dispossession of your own people – i.e., your impending minority status - is something to celebrate. Well, celebrate it if you like. I don’t see how that makes you a conservative though. |
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codarac
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| merr wrote: | | Codorac, the USA is an entirely DIFFERENT story than Europe. The US was built on whites, blacks and Native Americans SINCE THE BEGINNING of this country. The majority of black families in this country have been here longer than many European families. And the land was taken away from the Native Americans. If you want to make a point about Europe and make your argument credible, leave the USA out of it. |
Historically in the USA whites have gained while black Americans and Native Americans have suffered. That's undoubtedly true.
The rules of nature still hold though. Peoples differ, and they compete. White Americans who gain some sort of feeling of redemption from celebrating their impending minority status are being naive, IMHO.
If the WASP elite in the US looked after the interests of their own kin, as the founding fathers did, they would not be doing what they're doing. |
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merr
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| Your information about the USA is false. This country was started by whites, but people arleady lived here,a nd people were brought here starting from the 1600s to build an entire economy on their labor. This country is just as much mine as it is my friend whose European family came here in the 1800s and mine who has been here since the 1700s (and before since I am also part american indian). ThE usa is different than europe. I can see where you are coming from from British/European standpoint, but this country is not surrounded by white countries. Ths\is country is surrounded by people of all colors who have all contributed, no matter what any outdated textbook says.. The southern border was originally inhabitied by Mexicans, than Americans (with both blacks and Mexicans whites fighting on the same side) won a war and the southern states were annexed with the original mexicans living there becoming american citizens. This country was not built by whites only. To say so would be to undermine generations that have lived here and made lives and successes of themselves for centuries. |
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merr
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People compete, but I've seen differently. It may shock you but I've actually seen people become good friends, and perhaps help eachother out once and a while.
I dont buy into the notion that this world is only a giant Darwinian experiment. Poeple arent as brutal and as cruel and calculating as you suspect. But if you want to be with your own kind, or stop your homeland from becoming too different, that's fine and that's natural. But I dont buy into the idea that people who are friends are going against nature and that we are constantly competing. The only thing I am sure of is that we are definitely dying, and what difference is this going to make in 1000 years when an asteroid hits the earth and there's no history left to fight over. What a futile fight. Oh well. |
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NewportBeachDude
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| codarac wrote: | | NewportBeachDude wrote: | | codarac wrote: | | What is happening in the West at the moment then, is unique. The Western elites have turned against their own kin. The European people are being deliberately replaced – in their ancestral homelands in Europe, and in the nations they’ve built, such as the US. |
What?! You're...joking?
Give me an example please. |
NewportBeachDude, it can take one years to see what is in front of one’s own nose. If and when you ever do, you will be amazed that other people can’t see it too.
Look, as things stand, the native people of Britain are forecast to become a minority in their own homeland by 2100.
In the USA, a country built by whites for whites, whites are forecast to become a minority by 2050.
This is down to immigration. It is not by some unstoppable force of nature that the doors to Britain and the US have become open to the Third World, nor was there ever a moral obligation on the native Britons and white Americans to open them. No, Britain and the US have opened their doors to the Third World because the elites want it.
Immigration, NewportBeachDude, is ethnic conquest by another name. Those native Britons and white Americans who protest are routinely demonised, fired from their jobs, and – in Britain at least – even arrested. You see, no one is to be allowed to stand in the way of the elite’s plans.
And if people do not stand up against it when they are 70% or 80% of the population, it’s going to be even more difficult when they are 40% or 20% or 10%.
Judging by some of your other posts though, you as a white American seem to think the dispossession of your own people – i.e., your impending minority status - is something to celebrate. Well, celebrate it if you like. I don’t see how that makes you a conservative though. |
Codoroc, I asked you to give me an example. I didn't ask you to attack me for who I am as a person. Your last paragraph rubs me the wrong way. What is the problem with you and others like you who can't have a conversation on this board without insulting someone?
I don't see things the way you do. And, America was not built by Whites. America was built from the slave labor of African Americans, Native American Indians and our railroads were built by Chinese immigrants. And, our Constitution created by those "White Men" says it welcomes people with open arms. The problem today is that most people don't want to go through the proper channels.
I don't like America's immigration policy either. I think it lets Mexico off the hook for not caring for its own citizens while American taxpayers foot the bill. But, I am not racist against Mexicans because I don't like that policy, nor do I fear the extinction of whitey.
My wife used to live in London and we've spent a lot of time there. What I do know is that many Britons resent Indians (from India) because they "steal" the high-powered jobs in banking, medicine and are entrepreneurial. They are very successul and we've heard Whites hate that. This is racist jealous...people disliking another race because they're successful. I don't go for that!
Being a Conservative does not make me a racist bigot, no matter how firm I stand on political issues. And, if you see some of my threads where I'm talking about problems in the AA community, you can see I'm pretty firm. But, that doesn't mean I hate them for the color of their skin. And by the way, most AAs here are legal not immigrants. |
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NewportBeachDude
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| codarac wrote: | | If the WASP elite in the US looked after the interests of their own kin, as the founding fathers did, they would not be doing what they're doing. |
I am one of the WASP elite and am looking after my own kin. My family is well provided for, thank you for asking.  |
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matsuiny2004
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: white slaves |
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| snake321 wrote: | This is an article, more than anything, to piss off the PC police. Yes, it is an article to piss off the PC lunatics. But, it is factual documented history. It's about whites who were slaves to arabs. Point here, showing that whites too were sometimes victims of racism and oppression. And calling matters is not as simple as "siding with majorities" or "siding with minorities". Point here, skin color does not make someone automatically right or wrong. There are good and bad of every color and every gender, and everyone has blood on thier hands through history. And above all, the moral of this post is also to state that, people should be judged as sovereign individuals, accountable for their own individual actions. I'm not gonna hate arabs because their ancestors enslaved mine thousands of years ago. The same reason I shouldn't be judged for what my ancestors did to others 200 yrs ago. The simple fact that I am an individual, not responsible for what happened in the past, long before I was born. Arabs today aren't responsible for what happened thousands of years ago either.
Read this link, it's about the white slave trade by North Africans, long before whites did anything to anyone else (so history can't be used as an excuse here for reverse bigotry):
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2007/09/the_untold_stor.php |
Before slavery of african americans actually many people were ensalved regarddless of their race or background, it was jsut what people did. This i no way minimizes how horrible slavery was for the many africans who were brought here on ships. |
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pandabear
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| codarac wrote: |
In the USA, a country built by whites for whites, whites are forecast to become a minority by 2050.
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Some of the worst prejudice of the 19th and 20th century, including lynchings and race riots, was directed against Irish and Italians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_racial_violence_in_the_United_States
Now, just about everyone celebrates St Patrick's Day, whether or not they're either Irish or Catholic, and pizza and spaghetti have become staples of the American diet. |
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pandabear
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snake321
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: white slaves |
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| matsuiny2004 wrote: | | snake321 wrote: | This is an article, more than anything, to piss off the PC police. Yes, it is an article to piss off the PC lunatics. But, it is factual documented history. It's about whites who were slaves to arabs. Point here, showing that whites too were sometimes victims of racism and oppression. And calling matters is not as simple as "siding with majorities" or "siding with minorities". Point here, skin color does not make someone automatically right or wrong. There are good and bad of every color and every gender, and everyone has blood on thier hands through history. And above all, the moral of this post is also to state that, people should be judged as sovereign individuals, accountable for their own individual actions. I'm not gonna hate arabs because their ancestors enslaved mine thousands of years ago. The same reason I shouldn't be judged for what my ancestors did to others 200 yrs ago. The simple fact that I am an individual, not responsible for what happened in the past, long before I was born. Arabs today aren't responsible for what happened thousands of years ago either.
Read this link, it's about the white slave trade by North Africans, long before whites did anything to anyone else (so history can't be used as an excuse here for reverse bigotry):
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2007/09/the_untold_stor.php |
Before slavery of african americans actually many people were ensalved regarddless of their race or background, it was jsut what people did. This i no way minimizes how horrible slavery was for the many africans who were brought here on ships. |
I totally agree with you. Slavery is slavery, no matter who the victim or what color they are. It was terrible what blacks had to go through. And I'm not making any excuses for what my forefathers did. My point was merely to show a different side of slavery and racism, to counter overly-PC people who wanna think that it's as simple as blaming everything on white males. Also, to show that whites have more in common with blacks than people realize, where slavery is concerned....
Slavery was never really about race, when you look at the big picture, it's always been about power and control. Whites have owned whites, whites have owned blacks, blacks have owned and still do own blacks in Africa, arabs owned whites and blacks. Arabs were actually the most brutal slave owners of all the races.
Even today, slavery still goes on, human trafficking, where women and children are snatched off the sidewalk and forced into prostitution and slavery, and are being raped multiple times on a daily basis.... I personally consider sweat shops slavery, I mean yeah they choose to work there but it's not like they've got a lot of choice though. They've got to feed their families. |
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pandabear
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One of my favourite Mark Twain books, Puddin'head Wilson, deals with two babies, born the same day to the same father. One baby is from his white wife, and the other from his slave (who is also white, but considered "mulatto"). His wife dies shortly after giving birth. The slave woman, who is left caring for both babies, switches their identities, so that her own son could enjoy the priviledges of being White and free.
http://etext.virginia.edu/railton/wilson/pwhompg.html
The Homer Plessy case was an interesting one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homer_Plessy
At the start of the civil war, the majority of the residents of a number of southern states were slaves. Today, Whites are the majority in all of the states (including the Southern states).
So, what happened? Did most of the southern Blacks emigrate from the South after the Civil War? Or, did large numbers eventually adopt White identities? |
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