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hale_bopp
Ruffle some Feathers
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That woman sounds like she is all talk and no brains tbh.
Like someone already said, if a woman hits you like a girl, any decent man would not hit her back, but stop her mid hit. If a woman hits you like a man, he should be obliged to hit back. |
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D1nk0
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Rainstorm5 wrote: | Two reasons:
1. It's the media -- primarily movies, video games, TV, the internet and music lyrics, most of which is written by young men who like violence as an art form. Some think dominatrix-type females should be good role models for girls. Girls watch the same things and play the same games as boys do these days. So many kids are being brought up by the television instead of family, and violence is all they see. Many are sociopathic by the age of thirteen, if not sooner. It's not just their boyfriends (or even girlfriends) they abuse, it's basically anyone who pisses them off. Just read the news today. There are teenagers out there shooting people for thrills, and beating people down for the smallest slight against their character. Again, girls see this, too. Girls are just as capable of being sociopathic as boys. They know no difference between right and wrong, only what makes them happy and what makes them angry. This is what happens when things like porn and bloody violence in media/movies becomes acceptable.
2. Bad Parents. These girls were never taught that it's not right to hurt other people. Parents either abused the girls themselves or otherwise overlooked and refused to discipline them for bad behavior. Moms and Dads leave their kids in front of the TV all day long while they do their own thing and in turn the kids act out. Parent ignores them, the violent behavior is 'excused' and since there were no real consequences for the child's actions, the hurting of other people to get their way becomes part of the accepted norm. They are violent simply because they were never shown the proper way to behave. Once they're adults, the behavior patterns are set and nothing short of a near-death experience can change them -- and in most cases even that doesn't work. |
You are Absolutely Correct RainStorm5. I too am bothered at how many young women these days seem to have the attitude that anything goes as far as how they treat other people. But some myths really die hard...and one of those myths
that seems to endure is the myth of the "fair sex". The notion that women are less selfish and more altruistic. This is what I was taught and it took me well into my college years to understand the fact that Women are just as MEAN, CRUEL, and SELFISH as Men! Howerver they often arent as physically violent. What I find very ironic about those girls taking about beating up and/or killing their boyfriends is the fact that women generally seem to be FAR less jealous and vindictive than men when it comes to relationships. Whenever a woman gets dumped and she starts stalking her ex-bf, it makes the news because its rather uncommon. I think I started a threat a long while ago about why women for the most part dont stalk NEARLY as much as men do. |
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D1nk0
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Might I add: if Anyone hits me hard enough and in a place that could cause injury I AM going to strike back even harder!
It makes NO DIFFERENCE to me what the sex of the person attacking me is  . |
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Aridarr
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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All people are abusive. Our society is driving us insane. We are like domesticated rats trapped in sardine-tin cages in a clinical, perpetually lit laboratory, constantly surveyed and unable to escape from one another. We are kept entertained, but our natural instincts are suppressed and subverted, driving us slowly in on ourselves in a fit of self-destructive rage.
| D1nk0 wrote: | Might I add: if Anyone hits me hard enough and in a place that could cause injury I AM going to strike back even harder!
It makes NO DIFFERENCE to me what the sex of the person attacking me is . |
Unless they cut off all your limbs, as in Monty Python and the Holy Grail's Black Knight scene.
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Lurv
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I guess violent female characters in media is... a backlash or something against the damsel in distress etc. But yeah, I find it annoying that a female character who acts like a bitch is supposed to be strong.  |
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dawndeleon
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I dont like the trend of women belittling men any better than if it were a man belittling a woman. If a woman is going to hit, then there should at least be defense on the male side. If you dish it, you better be willing to take it. These types of girls are not doing feminism any favors when they resort to bullying a boyfriend. They are perpetuating the 'bitch' mentality. Husbands and boyfriends get tired of dealing with that sh#@. It gets really old, REALLY quick. Would you want to be with someone who treats you like a piece of crap, and is supposed to LIKE you? Mixed signals here much? Stay away from those types... they are destined to be miserable and/or alone with that attitude. |
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Yupa
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| D1nk0 wrote: | | women for the most part dont stalk NEARLY as much as men do. |
Or maybe it just isn't percieved as such as often? |
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slowmutant
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| TheMidnightJudge wrote: | Yeah that's always bothered me.
I remember a friend of mine. His girlfriend slapped him. So he slapped her and the girl was just amazed.
You look at stastitics, and you'll notice males are much more often the victims of violence than women. |
I am a male, and was slapped around by my 2 sisters as a kid. I grew up with one mother and two mother-hens. Absolutely inescapable situation. Not particular abusive physically, but more mentally and emotionally. To this day they are the dominant and I the submissive. Two alpha females and one delta male, I suppose. Short of violence, there is no way I can assert myself or have a little more masculine pride. I'm not asking to "master" or "break" anybody. Just to have more respect. I think I would have turned out to be a stronger man had I not been groomed by all my family-members, Dad included, to be a coward. |
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sojournertruth
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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Pop culture portrays female violence as 'cute' or even as a sexual turn-on: think mud-wrestling contests, etc. There's this (sexist and damaging to both genders) idea that women aren't strong enough to really hurt someone, and if a man complains about being hit or attacked by a woman, he's treated like an absolute wimp. It's treated as though he were complaining about being assaulted by a butterfly. While it's true that (in general) a woman hitting a man with 100% of her strength can't do as much damage as a man hitting with 100% of his strength, she can still break a nose, dislocate a kneecap, crush a windpipe, or cause serious pain. And that's assuming that she doesn't have a weapon or any kind of martial training. It's totally possible that an angry young woman attacking someone for the first time in her life believes that she is incapable of causing any real harm, and that she's only acting to get the man to take her seriously, because it's simply not acknowledged in society that she can cause actual damage.
Women who use violence are often portrayed as strong, dominant, and sexually demanding, rather than dangerous; it means that an angry woman has to escalate farther if she's going to be taken seriously in a martial context, and that a man has to be more seriously injured before he's taken seriously as a victim.
Now that we as a society are opening up to the idea that it's ok for women to be physically aggressive, we need to start taking female physical aggression seriously and not treating it as cute and harmless. |
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slowmutant
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My overriding safety protocol is nonviolence, especially against females. But oh, how I longed to smack a particular antagonistic female, just once, just once! I can say truthfully that I have never struck a female. But I have done some pushing & shoving. There was this one time when my sister came to my old apartment in Brampton and refused to leave. So I helped her leave, I helped her out the door and then closed it in her face. It was a very heated moment, I admit. But I did not strike her.
I've certainly fantasized about inflicting violence, though. Very dark and disturbing fantasies of misogyny. Repressing it all has, over the years, done some psychological damage. But I'd sooner harm myself than someone close to me. Isn't it always your loved ones you hate the most? The ones you love you can hurt the most. Life sure is funny that way....  |
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jiggeryqua
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Most men don't hit women - most men won't hit women. We're raised that way...by our mothers. They teach us it's wrong to hit women. They could teach us it's wrong to hit, full stop. Mostly they don't.
I was married, for a while. The first time she hit me I kind of shrugged it off, it wasn't much of a punch and I'd got used to getting punched at school and so on. The violence during the rest of that marriage was sporadic, increasing in severity and solely one-sided.
There is nowhere for men in that position to turn. "Why didnt you just leave her?" - for the same reasons women don't leave violent men, I guess (we're all people, not two seperate races). I loved her, I was emotionally committed, honourably committed and financially committed.
I did leave eventually. Best decision I ever made in my life - I left with nothing, and no 'refuge' or support groups. Men can't even talk about it, really - we diminish ourselves in society's eyes to admit that our partner was violent. Men who report domestic violence to the police are themselves arrested, in 75% of cases. It's just easier, more obvious, to removed the man. Woman=victim, man=fault. "What did you do to deserve it?"...well, I got born with a dick. Mea culpa....
Statistics are hotly argued by feminists and men's rights awareness groups, but overall it appears that domestic violence is not a gender issue - and random violence in public places, drunken friday night fighting and so on, is less gender-distinct that it once was. Well done, girls - equality of aggression is yours.
Five years after I'd left her (and with a couple of 'normal' relationships between) I moved in with someone I'd known for 3 years, who'd been my gf for 2.5 years. Excellent relationship, I was the healthiest I've ever been, she was stable, confident, loving, wonderful.
Then something changed - we were in a flat, the deposit for which came from an inheritance of hers, though we shared the other costs equally. But she knew I couldn't afford to move out. Actually, it was the emotional commitment she recognised and relied on: "Would you have children with me?". Yes, I said, without hesitation. So she gut punched me. Just to let me know the rules had changed.
I didnt hit her back, though I'd always told myself if it happened again, I would. In the couple of weeks it took me to make the decision to leave (and make myself homeless again), there was more violence - cold, calculated abuse, from a position of power. Women are generally smaller than men....and? so? This one was near enough my height and reach - and though she didnt study any of the martial arts that small men might use to fight big women (or big women), I figured I might easily wake up with a bread knife in my throat (or not wake up). Because I "deserved it" - she saw herself as judge, jury and executioner. No-one had taught her otherwise ("You don't hit women")
This was in Scotland (I'm English) - F>m domestic violence is endemic up there - strong women, always have been. In the pubs, I would watch women casually slap men for something they said, it passed un-noticed, it was commonplace. When the new Scottish Parliament proposed spending money on a study of F>m DV, the leading Scottish newspaper sought a comment from a spokesperson on gender issues (that is to say, a feminist, since they've effectively excluded or silenced men from that area of 'study' which used to be called anthropology). The spokesperson (ok, woman) was from Women's Aid and suggested that it was a terrible waste of money that could be spent on women to investigate something that does not happen.
It happens. It happened to me. The local authority accepted their obligation to rehouse me ("well, we'd do it for a woman"...) - and put me in a flat in the same small village. Two years later I made myself homeless again rather than go on living there as the man who'd dared to point the finger at a violent woman. The men of the village largely relied on the women of the village for an understanding of who I was, and the women of the village were happy to tell them. Comments I heard from virtual strangers (nobody ever asked me for my side) included "So, she hit you, she's only a woman" (??!) and, at the other end of the village (geographically and socially) "Oh, come on, she never hit you" (I didn't him either, though I wanted to - I did throw my drink in his face and walk out).
After a couple of years of homelessness I wound up in a commune in southern england. It worked very well for me for a while - plenty of meaningful work to keep me occupied, but a manageable social scene and so on. It ran by concensus, had done for 20 years, no-one had more power than anyone. It had never been patriarchal. But just as the women of the scottish village understood the power women have and have always had, in communities, one of the women in the commune decided equality wasn't good enough.
It's now 'Women's Country" (there's a book, by Sherri S. Tepper, I read it years ago, never expected anyone to take it seriously - but like Mein Kamp, books can spark powerful movements). There was no physical violence, to be fair - but if a group of women want you to leave somewhere, they don't really need to hit you.
I've made a similar post to this in two other internet forums. One was for self-professed intelligent, interesting people. One was for an ostensibly left-wing british broadsheet newspaper. In both, as here, I'd bimbled along happily making posts in various topics. In both, and in all probability here too, as soon as I made this post I was hounded out by the same sort of people who ran me out of the village and the commune for suggesting that 'woman' does not always equal 'victim', that 'man' does not always equal 'aggressor' and that 'equality' cannot be achieved for only one side of the equation.
Men and women are equals - they are people. Some people are violent, some people hide their violence at home, some people collude in hiding that violence. Some people blame the victim. |
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CRACK
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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Where does the "You DO NOT hit girls!" crap come from? Shouldn't it be "You DO NOT hit people!"
I wouldn't commit violence against anyone, male or female, even if they committed it to me. I would get away from them and, depending how bad it is, take legal action. |
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BokeKaeru
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I absolutely hate that tendency, both in fiction and real life. Thankfully, I have not seen as much of it in real life, but I have no doubt that things like what slowmutant and jiggeryqua were talking about go on quite frequently. The way I hear some women talk about their boyfriends and husbands, whether or not it is meant literally, is quite disturbing. I can't see how one claims to "love" someone who they so easily mistreat or talk about mistreating. Very hypocritical if you ask me.
And just forget about most movies or anime with those kind of characters in them. Most people will tend to worship the ground such characters walk on because they're "strong" (HAH.), and besides, hey, she softened up in the end, so it's all good, right? Umm... no. :\ I really don't think that makes up for two hours or an entire season of being slapped around, called an idiot, one upped and otherwise mistreated. Viewers would be appalled if a series or movie ended with a girl getting together with an abusive guy as portrayed in a positive light, so why should the reverse be permitted? Even more disgusting is the fact that people will often prefer the bitch to the guy she abuses, and defend her actions on the basis that the guy's being annoying/wimpy/stupid/whatever they choose to call him made him deserving of being treated as such, or simply assert that it's funny and therefore okay (I'm looking at YOU, Evangelion and Invader Zim fans!). Rather conducive to temporarily losing one's faith in humanity, if you ask me.
As to the thing about these types of people being strong... I don't see why people think that. I mean, it's seen as cowardly to attack someone who can't fight back, right? That's why it's taboo for men to hit women in the first place. But when social pressures can be as dangerous in some ways as physical force, how can it be seen as brave and powerful to attack someone who, if they attacked back, would be shunned and looked down upon, even imprisoned perhaps? Those who believe that attacking or belittling men who otherwise would not go out of their way to harm them is somehow daring or empowering are either living in the world of fifty years ago, or assume that all men have no restraint whatsoever and that they somehow really are RISKING something other than possibly respect by doing so. Female abusers, just as with male abusers, are no more than pathetic bullies. |
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slowmutant
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:25 am Post subject: |
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| I think a certain level of misogyny is inherent in Western culture, so much so that it has saturated and sublimated. That being said, I have two sisters who could each of them kick my ass. Fiery ones, they are. |
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Lurv
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| Quote: | | (I'm looking at YOU, Evangelion and Invader Zim fans!) |
^^; I think those shows are supposed to be messed up, though. I haven't seen much of Evangelion, but I know IZ never tried to be romantic or anything (now that would probably have made that show different). |
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