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LabPet
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| slowmutant wrote: | | I think a certain level of misogyny is inherent in Western culture, so much so that it has saturated and sublimated. That being said, I have two sisters who could each of them kick my ass. Fiery ones, they are. |
They do seem aggressive females....sorry. No one should behave in this way toward you (or any other). From what you've described you're basically defending yourself from necessity. I hope someday you'll be a gentle lady who treats you well - you've had a rough go of it.
Strangely, this topic seems to have attracted much attention. I think females can be rough, even violent, which may be an unfortunate by-product of Western culture. BUT...they doesn't excuse anyone from behaving badly. I think being mistreated, then the subsequent mistreatment 'they' inflict can become not just a reason but an excuse!
I wish this culture could be a more gentle one but no......climate of distress. We each have our own volition though - always! I am not aggressive by nature and I choose to not act this way besides. Autists do tend to get bullied - just a fact. I think we do need defense strategies! But inappropriate/violent behavior is uniformly wrong.
slowmutant, if you sister's are too fiery threaten them with a fire extinguisher! Or throw some sodium bicarbonate on them. Hah!
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SIXLUCY
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:54 am Post subject: Yes and NO |
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Yes and No it depends what enviroment yourve grown up.
Most women are brought up to act nice, sweet and pretty but some are not & they kick ars  |
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greenblue
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| MissConstrue wrote: | | But usually men are bigger than women. I'm not saying it's right for the woman to slap the man BTW, I'm just saying we're all adults here and don't need to be doing that kind of crap. My brother would always fight back with his girlfriend. She was pregnant at the time and I don't exactly what happened, she slapped him, and he knocked her into a wall. She had to go to the hospital for a broken nose and to see if her baby was alright. He's been going to jail for this kind of behavior. I wish he'd just stop getting into relationships he doesn't like. I don't think any grown ppl should act like that even though I'm guilty for some. Mine was mostly related to alcohol abuse, I'm still in recovery. Some of the guys that I was around were real strong. |
I am actually not that sure if men are usually stronger than women, maybe that is because of social gender roles, I know of cases when women are stronger than men, depending on a lot of factors, genetic, exercise, food, but I am not sure the physical strenght being necessarily linked to gender, biologically, I could say it is more about how we are brought up than anything else. You can see many exceptions from what it is believed, lots of strong women, lots of weak men.
In my case, I believe to be sure that many women are stronger than I am, and I mean many, because I lack of strength besides my clumsiness, surely that would make me, and I had being, a victim of teasing and perhaps bullying because of gender role beliefs.
As social changes (and hopefully progress) are made always with time, there seems that society needs to learn more about it, I believe in equalitarism, (although I can see a danger of being extreme or fanatic about it and about any ideology) I believe that women and men should not be separated by gender roles anymore besides their biological needs, and the thought of men hitting a woman to be wrong while hitting another man to be right, should be erradicated, the same as woman being violent to be looked like a strong role model for women, is wrong and misleading as well.
Violence is violence, always harfmul, no matter what gender the perpetrator is, no matter who the victim is.
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slowmutant
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Somebody say amen. |
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SIXLUCY
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject: a |
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slowmutant
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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Awomen? What's awomen?
I think you meant Amen. |
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SIXLUCY
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject: a |
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slowmutant
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Go back to sleep. |
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SIXLUCY
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:43 pm Post subject: ME |
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Me go back to bed...
I wish |
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Get a room, you two! 
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MysteryFan3
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| LabPet wrote: | | slowmutant wrote: | | I think a certain level of misogyny is inherent in Western culture, so much so that it has saturated and sublimated. That being said, I have two sisters who could each of them kick my ass. Fiery ones, they are. |
slowmutant, if you sister's are too fiery threaten them with a fire extinguisher! Or throw some sodium bicarbonate on them. Hah! |
Or throw a bucket of water on them and watch them melt. Bwa-ha-ha.
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MysteryFan3
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It isn't just women. Everyone is encouraged to be aggressive toward everyone else. If you walk over someone else, you're strong and admired. Otherwise you're weak and despised. The most aggressive are put on pedestals until their actions are deemed illegal or otherwise unacceptable. The Enron bosses were lionized until the scandal broke. The most recent economic bombs came from ultra aggressive credit card and home loan marketing with huge bonuses and honors to the top sellers. Now top execs at Citigroup, Merrill Lynch, Bear Stearns, UBS and CIBC were fired. This forum and many others are full of stories of abusive bosses and the employees they ran off. Those bosses are abusive because their top management demands and rewards it.
Los Angeles police have a siege mentality stemming from the 1950's. It used to be considered the right way for police to operate. Not since the Rodney King beating. Cops used to routinely collect bribes from local small-time crooks in some cities. Now it's grounds for prosecution.
We love the bad-ass boys and girls in our tv shows and movies. The penultimate American hero is the rule-breaker who blows off incompetent authority and saves the day through sheer personal power and knowing better than everybody else. Look at "The Last Action Hero". Okay, mea culpa from a Chuck Norris fan. 
When I was growing up, rule-breakers in games were kicked out or otherwise penalized. These days the rule-breakers get multi-year, multi-million dollar contracts with merchandising deals and all the honors society can muster. Until something they do (like doping) suddenly falls out of favor. Even if cheaters are fined and dishonored, the people who played fair and lost don't get back what was taken unfairly. People who follow the rules and try to build based on mutual cooperation are sneered at, taken advantage of and called f**king fools. Honor has left the building.
When you're stronger than someone else it can seem easier to beat them into submission than to talk them into cooperation. And our society does love the fast, easy answer doesn't it? Problem is, the beaten won't do as much or try as hard as the respected. But that's okay as long as the work of the beaten is "good enough for now". That makes it cost-effective on the General Ledger and the best route to advancement and rewards. As an Aspie on another forum observed, the rule now is "burn 'em and turn 'em".
Don't forget that women have been mostly second-class citizens for over five thousand years. Women in the U.S. who went to college were "encouraged" to major in Home Economics so they could marry well and be good wives. Women who did otherwise had to work harder than their male classmates and endure their professors' hostility. And if the husband was abusive, so what? Marriage is for better or for worse. She was expected to keep a rolling pin or cast-iron skillet handy if she objected. Look at the old "Andy Capp" comics, for example. Unless bones were broken or blood was gushing the police let it go. Then a battered wife sued a nonresponsive police department and won. I think that was less than 40 years ago. Now cops assume the man is the aggressor so the department won't get sued. Besides, it's an easy assumption. Of course, some women use that to dominate their husbands. Assholery favors neither gender.
Sorry if this sounds like a rant. I think I kept some stuff to myself too long.
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jiggeryqua
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| MysteryFan3 wrote: |
Don't forget that women have been mostly second-class citizens for over five thousand years. |
Really?...let's get the worthless people off the sinking boat first, and let the ones we value drown...let's hold doors open for second-class citizens and stand up when they enter the room...let's build a society where it's frowned upon (to say the least) to assault (or even insult) a 'second class' citizen, while the 'first class' citizens get conscripted to die in trenches when there's a war on or paid a pittance to die in mines, on trawlers and anywhere there's dirty, dangerous work to be done.
Someone somewhere else said women were powerless - I consider the ability to instil in an entire generation a lie so audacious that it isn't even shaken seeing the truth reflected all around you to be a considerable power myself. |
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SIXLUCY
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Yes women are f***ing powerless POWERLESS I TELL YOU
until you see the other side of me |
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Lurv
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| jiggeryqua wrote: | | Really?...let's get the worthless people off the sinking boat first, |
"Women and children first," isn't it? So maybe they're not seen as worthless, but yeah. |
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