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anbuend
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I forgot to mention something else:
The post (and some people replying) make it sound like nothing that confers any advantages could possibly make a person unable to be gainfully employed.
That might be intuitive to some people, but it is not true. I know he's a fictional character, but look at Adrian Monk. His OCD makes him at the same time a very good detective because he notices tiny things that are out of place, and unable to be employed by the police. While he does manage to sustain a job as a consultant, it's quite possible that there are people in real life who have OCD that makes them good at certain things, but also unable to work at all, even as a consultant, because it just interferes too much in other ways.
The same thing can be true of people with bipolar, whose mania and/or depression may be too severe to work, but who may be extremely creative and productive in times of hypomania. They might have too many periods of mania and depression to be gainfully employed on a regular enough basis, but this doesn't negate the benefits they get from it as well.
It also presumes that the only possible way something can be advantageous is on the job, which is not true.
Among autistic people, there are probably many people who can't sustain gainful employment because of being too overloaded or too erratic at what they are able to do, but who still experience the advantages that come with an autistic cognitive and perceptual setup. Many savants come to mind there, but this is even true in many non-savants. There is no way I could be gainfully employed and support myself that way, but it doesn't mean that I don't have skills that stem from being autistic.
I find it kind of insulting to be told that if I can't hold a job, then I ought to stick to describing autism as wholly negative. The one doesn't even follow from the other, but a lot of people seem to think it's just a given that they do.
(And, as I said, having an advantage conferred by a particular neurological type doesn't mean you're better than anyone else. Better at, including statistically better at, is not the same as better than, they're not even remotely connected.)
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zee
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40% seems a tad high. Many of the people with this attitude also seem to be younger people, so it`s not surprising that they would be so defensive (which is different than being a snob), and it`s likely just a phase they`re going through.
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Tormod
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I believe in equality. I have met very few aspies (or suspected aspies), but in general there seem to be as many stupid aspies as NTs, although I must admit that the aspies are usually stupid in much intellectual ways.
But as I said, I haven’t really met a lot other aspies, so on average they could be much smarter or much dumber than NTs for all I know. And in any case, what I think of as “intelligence” is just the set of traits and abilities that I… believe in (because I can’t think of a better way to say it.) So even if I would one day find out that I think many aspies are actually more intelligent, that would not mean that I would claim superiority over anyone, since I would still be very well aware that I’m only using my own personal idea of intelligence, and therefore others may be intelligent in ways I haven’t even considered.
I don’t know if this makes sense. I realise that I have some problems with expressing myself. I struggle and fail with just how I’m supposed to turn my thoughts into clear sentences. |
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Willard
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does no one involved in this thread understand sarcasm?
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Tormod
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Willard wrote: | | does no one involved in this thread understand sarcasm? |
I don't. |
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Icheb
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| Willard wrote: | | does no one involved in this thread understand sarcasm? |
I don't think NeantHumain is being sarcastic.
In that case, you shouldn't use Hobbes as your avatar. He's the most sarcastic tiger I know. |
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Tormod
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| I was talking about human sarcasm. I understand feline sarcasm well enough. |
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anbuend
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| Tormod wrote: | | I was talking about human sarcasm. I understand feline sarcasm well enough. |
Mrow.
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Greentea
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I'm not an aspiesnob. I'm a PROUD Aspiesnob.
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Mikomi
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: The Autisnob |
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| NeantHumain wrote: |
- Believes aspies are smarter
- Believes aspies should be recipients of welfare for their "disability" (yet means of superiority) instead of having to engage in work as the hoi-poloi do
- Believes autists possess a different set of social skills that enable them to communicate among each other but not among NTs
- Believes aspies are more creative
- Believes aspies are more logical
- Blames NTs for all problems
Fellow aspie, I know you are not one of these autisnobs, but the time is ripe to challenge them. Let's call them out and see what they have to say! |
I think part of this is society's fault. I'm not condoning it or saying I agree with the NT prejudice crap (I find it annoying to say the least). However, people on the spectrum often learn life in scripts. This "autisnob" mentality is basically a reversal of the neurotypical superiority role. I suspect that it's just a natural result of a lousy process.
The "autisnob" mentality does lack personal accountability, and without that there really is no personal growth - but instead an endless cycle of playing victim and laying blame. Bullies suck, but neurotypicals are not the sole cause of all of the problems autistic individuals face, I agree.
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Greentea
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: The Autisnob |
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| Quote: | | neurotypicals are not the sole cause of all of the problems autistic individuals face, I agree. |
And what's the other cause?
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Sora
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: The Autisnob |
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| Greentea wrote: | | Quote: | | neurotypicals are not the sole cause of all of the problems autistic individuals face, I agree. |
And what's the other cause? |
Are you asking that for real or did you meant to use sarcasm? Sorry, I'm confused.
Other problems that autistic people form all over the spectrum may face can include (not limited to):
- speech and language problems
- uncontrollable and too strict/too timely routines
- inability to learn or to keep a wide range of self-help skills
- heightened or dampened or otherwise irregular sensory perception
- motor and coordination problems
- attention deficits
That's the few I can think of right away that can cause autistic people problems from mild to severe too.
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Mikomi
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Thanks for saving me all the typing Sora.
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Greentea
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Interesting, I never had any of those, except mild motor coordination problems that never affected my life outside ball games and athletics. Any more examples of problems with being Aspies other than being in a rejected minority?
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Liverbird
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What a load of crap.
'Nuf said?
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