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I find this argument stupid, to be honest. The "Where is it in the bible?" is devoid of reason. It reminds me of Evangelical antics on which the only way to find an answer is to flip randomly the pages of a KJVB. There are many things Jesus never spoke about, does that mean it is allowed? Such thinking would go against the conscious.

Is it possible to be a serious Christian and avoid being some sort of bigot or a homophobe? By "serious" I mean "retaining Christian values." I tend to agree with Oscuria in that homosexuals as human beings shoud not be condemned for who they are but rather for what they do. Personally I don't like the idea of homosexuality but that's different from dealing with other people face-to-face.

Then why should I follow God? Your god, to put it nicely, sounds like a huge jerk if he thinks the only thing worth anything is people padding his ego. I'm a pillar of salt? He's a fictional character. I guess we're even. Really though, even if we assume he is real, why should I follow a god that is so immoral? I would not kill someone for not believing in me.

Also, your god does not make the laws in the US. This is not a theocracy.

I don't see how homosexuality runs contrary to Christianity. There are several denominations that gladly accept homosexuals. Not this weird guilt trippish 'accept the person, but not who they are' stuff. I mean, is it really accepting someone if you condemn their love? Anyway, Christianity need not by definition be homophobic.

Also, could you list the Christian values you're talking about? I want to know specifically what you're talking about so I can understand your point of view better.

a) Yes.
b) What the heck are you talking about? Why even ask the question?

I skipped most of the thread, and since I've already ranted a couple of times recently about the loaded word "homophobe", I'll leave that bit alone.

The thrust of my argument was that yours was badly formed. If you're going to defend gay rights, you should do it better.

And you sound like an idiot believing God should care for atheists who don't submit to or believe in Him.

Also you shouldn't follow God if you have such dimwitted views about Him.


Hmm, came across a bit harsh (not intended). In either case, I don't advocate theocracy. I do not advocate adhering to shastras as I find it completely mindless, but shariah sounds interesting.

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The majority always wins, it is supposed to win, and if you want to fix that issue, you can't do it officially or complaining, it will happen like this, whether you are an Aspie, gay or a Mexican in a Cuban hood, the majority will get the rules rigged for them. Get used to it.

Oh, the thread. I forgot.

I'm still don't agree with same-sex marriage. Marriage seems too strong a word. I guess I really see no point in marriage for the majority of people who do marry either.

My views are not dimwitted for being different from yours. Please show how they are dimwitted if you're going to assert that.

God is supposed to be an all loving entity. Not loving people who don't think he exists runs contrary to that claim. Either God isn't who he is alleged to be, or he doesn't hate people.

I'm curious, if belief in God is the only thing that matters, why bother doing anything? Why not just hole yourself up in a monastery and pray all day? If you really believe that all is worthless except belief, why waste your time on life?

I believe you stated that you are an atheist, correct me if I'm wrong. How can an atheist know what God is and is not? Tell me whence comes this wonderful knowledge? In scripture I read references of the Lord destroying cities inhabited by thousands and thousands of people. Since you know what God is rectify this seeming contradiction for me.

Since man cannot sit idle forever a sense of work and duty enters his mind upon which that man must perform. If I bother not doing anything what would I accomplish? Also where is the difference in praying inside a monastery and meditating at home? If I must hole myself in a temple to be nearer to God it would mean that God is not omnipresent after all.

The only time wasted in life is the one spent not remembering the Lord

Shariah is evil. It's neolithic, barbaric. I don't think anyone here would want that.

Not all of Shariah is evil, equally so not all of it is based on the Quran. The Islamic jurors would rather spend time on building laws from illegitimate fables than on authoritative text. Sadly, few rarely question source.

What do you mean?

The Quran states that the punishment for adultery committed by a slave woman is half the punishment committed by a free couple which is 100 lashes. If it was stoning to death, how can it be halved? The hadiths however narrate that Muhammad stoned adulterers to death and was quite unrepentant about it. The Hadiths also narrate how the reason for it came to be, which is a fairly ridiculous. In any case unrevealed scripture cannot abrogate revealed scripture. Thinking so is nonsense. It is like the writings of Paul abrogating the words of Jesus. Lesser authority will always be below that of higher authoritative texts. Islamic scholars and jurors however spend much of their time deciphering information found in the hadith (whose origins are unknown but legend states come directly from Muhammad) than on the Quran.

The reason given by Islamic apologetics is that the Quran states everyone should follow the words of the Prophet without hesitation. I consider this absurd in that one should take God above anyone else, not to mention it is found in the Quran that we should never accept things blindly.

I'm glad you think so, Oscuria.