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dancinglight
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Joined: Jan 22, 2006
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Hi Pete,
I understand how you feel. You have tried very hard to apply jobs, but always employers and recruiters seem to have an excuse
why they neglect your professional background and choose instead an outspoken person whose life is fully in order. Sometimes
they send letters with the message "thank you for your interest toward our company" or mention that our decision did not target to
you. Since quitted my previous job, it has taken more than one year from me to get recruited in another field- nursing. The employer
was not interested in high academic education or high grades, but personality and job experience.
For us aspergers interviews cause often excitement which we can not deal with. We may talk about irrational things and words get
mixed. In ordinary phone interviews we might manage even better. |
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privateperson1
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Joined: Feb 09, 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject: just another thing to keep in mind..... |
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Something that's easy to forget, is that some bosses goof off and that may be why there is an opening to begin with.
The ones that fear being dethroned want a dummy they can torture, not some super geek like one of us that the upper management might take notice of. If they are not there when they are supposed to be (i.e. extended lunch), than you may actually make them look bad!
If they see any possibility that this could happen then it means it's also possible they could one day lose their job to you. Sometimes this too is why people don't get hired!
I wonder how many of us have been told we are "Overqualified" for a job because of that.
Think about it...............................
On the bright side, much can happen in a month. You may even see their position pop-up later in your job hunt, and you can go apply for it. Just always be sure to do your homework on the company especially if they seem too eager. |
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Hunterton
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Joined: Feb 18, 2006
Posts: 20
Location: Melbourne, FL
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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I got hired on the spot by Publix. I showed up for the interview, got offered a bag boy job that paid $5.75hr. I now make $7.00hr
My boss, Emma says I'm very intelligant, and I talk way too much. Other than that, I'm a good co worker. I don't know of ANY discrimination about AS kids w/ publix. Thats why I love Publix. They're easy to work for.
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Astarael
Numquam obliuiscor..
Joined: Aug 07, 2005
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Location: Western Australia
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How about making a good impression first off? The minute I go somewhere to ask about a job position I look and feel nervous and usually end up walking out without doing anything. Plus I don't make eye contact at all if I actually do talk to someone and usually end up stuttering because I'm trying to talk too fast. How do I avoid doing that  Okay, I haven't done it every time but it sure puts out a bad vibe that ultimately leads to rejection. Any ideas? My friend can walk into a store and get a job within the click of her fingers just by talking to the people there, I want to know how to do that! And another equally bubbly friend got rejected about 10 times before landing herself a job.. I really have no idea why. 
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Keeno
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Joined: Mar 09, 2006
Posts: 981
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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One thing I will say is:
COMMUNICATION COMMUNICATION COMMUNICATION
I've found out the hard way. Even if it's sometimes a problem for us Aspies, good communication is absolutely vital to keeping a job. Can be difficult working for a boss, for most bosses but keeping lines of communication fully open is crucial.
I say this because I was fired from a job in 1998, poor communication being given as one of the reasons. Not long after I lasted only one month in a job, poor communication being given as the whole reason.
Was made redundant from my last job 2 months ago. This was because of so many branches closing, and less workload, at least so they say. Now, while THEIR style of communication towards me was absolutely uncalled for, they too stressed the importance of ME keeping up good communication with THEM.
Bosses and work colleagues want and need to work with people they can freely communicate with, because we have to do our bit to at least look like good team players. |
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Keeno
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Joined: Mar 09, 2006
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Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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A few more things, speaking purely from personal experience, but being an Aspie I hope it will be useful to people on this site.
I'm looking for a job, I'm clearly not the best person to ask for interview advice since I've now had 19 consecutive job interviews without getting a job offer (plus one where I was offered the job but felt simply uncomfortable taking it). That's 9 while I was still employed, and 10 since I was made redundant. But that's all besides the point.
I'm not giving advice on actual interview skills anyway, just things to look out for in interviews.
Number of interviewers: I'd say the more interviewers there are, the better. I've only ever been able to obtain jobs where there has been ONE interviewer but that means you are more isolated with that ONE person as a boss, and they'll feel more of a need to control you and hold sway over you. Preferable to have more interviewers as you'll be working closely for more people and it'll be a more team-oriented environment.
Size of company: I feel it's vital for me to be in a bigger company, since I have only ever been able to obtain employment in small companies and have been in isolated work environments partly as a result of that.
Profit making concerns or non profit making: I also think it's important that I get into a non-profit making concern and/or in the public sector. Kinda obvious, if it's profit making, the pressure of profit making (or always in my experience keeping the overdraft down) above all else will almost certainly be taken out on people like us. |
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ADoyle
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Joined: Dec 17, 2005
Posts: 634
Location: Southern California, USA
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| numark wrote: |  thank you notes? do people really use these? in all my experience of researching into 'access to employment' in the Uk i have not once come accross one, perhaps they are reserved for particular types of work/employment? |
At least where I'm from, you have a better chance of being hired if you write a thank-you letter after the interview. It's more of an ettiquette thing, and it shows them that you're interested in working for them.
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AS_Interlocking
Snowy Owl
Joined: May 27, 2005
Posts: 157
Location: Somewhere near the AS/NT Border...
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| Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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I interviewed two weeks ago for my dream job, and sent thank-you emails to the two interviewers who provided me business cards (and thus contact information to send a thank you to) immediately after returning from the interview. One of them sent me a reply thanking ME. I'm still waiting to hear back on the job.
Regarding AS, I'm very much a "not sure if I have it" but I know a lot of the AS tendencies fit me. I've also changed a LOT in college, and my AS traits are nowhere nearly as prevelant as they were just two years ago. The job I was interviewing for does work in my area of special interest, in a way that allows me to combine my major in college with my work/internship experience, in an environment where people do work individually following systems of rules. It definately plays up my strengths and minimizes my weaknesses! I just cross my fingers that I can get this job.
I really hope that some landmark legal action happens in the near future regarding AS in the workplace. It will be a great day when a company CANNOT fire, or not hire, or create an environment conducive to quitting, for someone who is actually the most qualified, best person at what they do, but doesn't make the people around him/her feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I should point out the employer for my dream job, from what I hear, is not known for such firings, I'm just making this comment in general because I know it has happened to so many people with AS, and is one of the reasons I don't want to find out for sure if I have it or not.
I think the Americans with Disabilities Act is a great start, but has not been used to the extent that it can be for people with AS. The "accommodations" will be different than for the more well-known disabilities--IMHO, instead of building a wheelchair ramp or jacking the work desk up a few inches to accommodate a wheelchair in an office, it would likely require a briefing for the immediate coworkers of the AS individual, letting them know in which ways their new colleague will be different, what types of things he/she may be sensitive to, what things he/she is very good at (their AS strengths), and what things they may not quite grasp, as well as an understanding of how this persons' interface with office politics may be very different than others. It may even require something like an IEP--an "Individual EMPLOYMENT Plan" that would specifically define acts which, if done willingly against the AS employee, would constitute harassment. Most of these things may even fall under existing harassment laws, but clarifying them and identifying the points at which people with AS become more susceptible to them would likely help curb problems in the workplace.
Any other thoughts on what the most likely "reasonable accommodation" would be, under ADA, for someone with AS?
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jaguars_fan
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Joined: Apr 18, 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:51 am Post subject: |
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| Hunterton wrote: | I got hired on the spot by Publix. I showed up for the interview, got offered a bag boy job that paid $5.75hr. I now make $7.00hr
My boss, Emma says I'm very intelligant, and I talk way too much. Other than that, I'm a good co worker. I don't know of ANY discrimination about AS kids w/ publix. Thats why I love Publix. They're easy to work for.
Hunter |
I used to work for that company. I just left them after working 6 years, but I might try to return to that company in a few years. |
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wobbegong
Phoenix
Joined: Apr 20, 2006
Posts: 716
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:04 am Post subject: You don't have to like or be friends with your co-workers |
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Hi all
I found this excellent piece of advice where I usually spend spineless wanna be boyfriends to get a clue.
http://www.heartless-bitches.com/bi/bitchitorial04jun06.shtml
Essentially she's saying you don't have to like or be friends with your co-workers or join in their pecking order politics.
Conversely your co-workers don't have to like you. If they're getting up your nose because you're not being social enough you can just calmly explain being social is not something you're good at, and you don't see it as all that important to get the job done - it's ok if they think you're weird or they don't like you.
Note this doesn't mean you get to be rude and obnoxious at work. I especially like the six dot points. Here's the main one for aspies.
| Quote: | | Expecting the world (and your office) to be FAIR, and incensed to the point of dysfunction when it isn’t instead of working on ways to change things, or work around them. |
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RachelLugiagirl
Snowy Owl
Joined: Jun 14, 2006
Posts: 136
Location: East London, Uk.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:43 am Post subject: thank you notes |
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| Yes I ve never heard of thank you notes helping in the uk either. I've heard learning the answers to set questions does, and finding out about a company. I've gone through many mock interviews for the employment service and still on the real thing they ask a question I can't answer and I cry. They usually want people who can make decisions quickly so answering something is usually better than silence. And I've generally found a great prejudice against disabled people despite the rules you should employ them so I don't know whether to get diagnosed or no. I can't lie and the worst question for me is Have you any questions to ask us? I think they would probably accept an honest no if you have shown interest and answered questions honestly. I like interviewing people myself and have learned to listen, look at them and show interest. I would hate to be stuck at a desk all day.The only jobs I have got is ones they have given me a trial period for. |
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Captain_Brown
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:08 am Post subject: |
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| That seems like a good idea for the future. |
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aspie4jc
Blue Jay
Joined: Jul 26, 2006
Posts: 94
Location: U.S. of A
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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1. APPEARANCES!
Haven't seen anything on this yet in the forum. What about the way you dress for the interview!? It's all a part of first impressions. Do you know anyone else who works there? Have you been able to notice (or ask someone) about the company dress code? Try to dress and appear similarly for your interview without overdoing it.
There are certain exceptions to this. Once I went into a supermarket to pick up an application. I was only wearing a clean polo-shirt and a pair of denim shorts -- no holes or anything. The HR asked if I had time to meet with him; I answered some basic interviewing questions and took some kind of math test (don't remember exactly). So I passed the test and was hired.
I'm not saying you have to wear a dress or suit-and-tie just to fill out applications. But you DO want to make a good impression on anyone you might come into contact with at the company.
2. Thank-you notes:
I only read about it AND tried it this past Jan/Feb when I was job hunting. My mom gave the idea a thumbs-down, saying it wouldn't help any. So, just to give it a shot, I sent a short HAND-WRITTEN note on a thank-you card. I thanked the store manager for his time in interviewing me, asked him to pass on my thanks to his courteous employees who assisted me when I was there to apply, and also maintained interest in the job by letting him know I hoped to hear from him soon. The application/interview was on Monday (I was the first!), and I mailed my note Tuesday. I went in on Thursday just to see how the process was going, and he told me he was planning to call and ask about getting drug tested. From what I can tell, he wanted to hire me already on Monday! |
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mummadisaster
Blue Jay
Joined: Nov 08, 2006
Posts: 94
Location: Australia
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:13 am Post subject: |
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I too have never heard of a thank you note given after the job interview - they should be thanking their lucky stars you applied for their job in the first place!!
For me, the best way to practice your skills at being interviewed, is to apply for jobs with temporary agencies - I had often got a foot in the door for various jobs in the past by starting off as a temp. That way too if you are offered full time employment you will know what the people are like and what the job is like - it just makes things easier and a lot of the time the actual interview is surpassed because your boss already knows you and wants to keep you there.
My current job is as a shift manager - and that interview was probably the best and easiest I had even been through, mainly because I had worked for the same company previously as a temp (but different department) and my boss offered me the job at the actual interview because of the reports she had received about me.
Temping is great - I have done it many times since finishing school twenty one years ago - would recommend it to anyone!!
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Sparkle1984
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Joined: Sep 26, 2005
Posts: 31
Location: England
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| mummadisaster wrote: | I too have never heard of a thank you note given after the job interview - they should be thanking their lucky stars you applied for their job in the first place!!
For me, the best way to practice your skills at being interviewed, is to apply for jobs with temporary agencies - I had often got a foot in the door for various jobs in the past by starting off as a temp. That way too if you are offered full time employment you will know what the people are like and what the job is like - it just makes things easier and a lot of the time the actual interview is surpassed because your boss already knows you and wants to keep you there.
My current job is as a shift manager - and that interview was probably the best and easiest I had even been through, mainly because I had worked for the same company previously as a temp (but different department) and my boss offered me the job at the actual interview because of the reports she had received about me.
Temping is great - I have done it many times since finishing school twenty one years ago - would recommend it to anyone!!
Jus |
I agree with that. I started my current (permanent) job as a temp. I was a temp for the first few months, then my departmental manager advertised a few permanent positions. I applied, although I still had to do an interview just like all the other applicants. Even though I didn't reach the required level for the job that was advertised (as I was only a recent graduate with not much experience), the manager offered me a position at a lower level and I accepted it. |
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