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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 5:51 am Post subject:
Although I'm not an atheist or fundmentally religious, I really don't see anything wrong with gay marriage and I really see nothing that holy and virutious of marriage.
After many acceptions that have been taken into Christianity, why would being gay be frowned upon considering they made divorce possible and adultery forgiveable. I wonder what Jesus would think since he was known as a forgiving man. Religious or not, many of the scriptures were written by men aka witnesses to the holy testimony although as humans we all have our own version or like to add on a version to a story.
It just seems that in this society saints and sinners really frown upon people of a different sexual orientation. With a little common sense and not so much analytical ego-centricity, it's pretty obivious they were born this way as many people are born with differences. From opinion, I don't see what is wrong with two grown consenting adults who love eachother and aren't hurting anyone else. Maybe this statement comes off as blunt without all the details but I thought I'd add my input anyway. _________________ Oh you can't help that. We're all mad here.
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2) Just as the lot here are easily critical of the religious community--some even "religiously" critical, I too am very critical of the transgendered.
Be critical all you want. Hormone replacement seems to work.
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I wonder what my psych. will tell me if I say "I am a lion trapped inside a human body. Why can't I just be myself?" Would he advice me to get a mane and tail implant?
You want one? I'm not saying you shouldn't. If he thought you were serious, he'd be more curious than anything else.
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If you're gay, be gay. Just don't go about thinking you need breasts and a penectomy. You will still be a male, albeit a deformed one.
I've always wanted to become a cloud of ectoplasm.
The exoskeleton still sounds like a good idea, though.
1) Hormone replacements. Yes, does it still make them a man/woman? No.
2) No, I wouldn't want one. I'm a human male (although some of you might question my humanity). Why would I want to be anything else?
3) Ectoplasm? Ghosts are a bit silly.
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I too am very critical of the transgendered. It is very disturbing to know that people believe that they're females, or males, trapped inside a different body. If you cannot see how ridiculous such a thing sounds, I can't help you with anything. It comes across very insulting and ungrateful, just shows one of the sickness in the mind of people.
So they should get jailtime just because YOU find them disgusting?
Sickness in the mind of people, I would consider that to the ones who comit crimes like rape and stuff like that. And it makes sense, doesn't it?
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If a psychiatrists advices a transgendered to get an operation then that psychiatrists deserves to have its degree and position taken and itself put through psychiatric help.
That's your opinion, and it is appreciated.
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I wonder what my psych. will tell me if I say "I am a lion trapped inside a human body. Why can't I just be myself?" Would he advice me to get a mane and tail implant?
Why not?
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If you're gay, be gay. Just don't go about thinking you need breasts and a penectomy. You will still be a male, albeit a deformed one.
This shows lack of knowledge and understanding of the subject.
1) There are reasons why I feel SOME should get jail time. You can try to imagine why, or not.
Sure, but to me it is equally disturbing to have a person believe that they are not what they were born as. Obviously I can never understand their emotions, but it is of little importance to me since it will not do away with reality.
2) Yours as well.
3) Why? I'll try that next time I've an appointment with a psychiatrist. I wouldn't consider him bona fide afterwards if he says I should.
4) Lack of understanding to this subject which is of gay marriage, but not towards my belief on transexuals/gendered.
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Wow, how depressing the replies from some of these members.
I would love the chance to search your homes to find your KKK clothes.
Sometimes I wonder who the real men are?
Well, I don't think I'd ever be accepted into the KKK being that I'm not of the right skin color. I'll forward my resume though. Perhaps they're looking to be progressive for this century.
Also, I'm not looking to exert control or whatever. If I did, I'd move to an anarchy state, build up my militia and set up some form of Shari'a. You wouldn't be invited for tea, however. Sorry.
Wow, how depressing the replies from some of these members.
I would love the chance to search your homes to find your KKK clothes.
Sometimes I wonder who the real men are?
Aww.. this is just a playground for oscuria.
I think oscuria enjoys ticking folks off, although he has made some pretty reasonable posts in the past.
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I wonder what my psych. will tell me if I say "I am a lion trapped inside a human body. Why can't I just be myself?" Would he advice me to get a mane and tail implant?
Here you go oscuria...
Ha, that thing--i'm not sure what it is, has always creeped me out.
And, nah. I'm not looking to tick people off. I'm above that, if only an inch. If anything it's to see how accepting of other's beliefs people are. Believe you me I've some hardline beliefs.
My excuse: No one has to listen to me. I'm not looking for followers.
1) Hormone replacements. Yes, does it still make them a man/woman? No.
I don't really care what it makes them as long as it improves their mental health. That's the idea behind it as far as I'm concerned. Even if they were doing it just for kicks and giggles, though, I just wouldn't care. Frankly, I find it disturbing and a little perverse that you seem to have such a deep interest in other people's gender identities. Nevermind what your transgendered next-door neighbor is doing. Think about what you're doing. Say your next-door neighbor is someone who very discreetly had his gender changed from female to male, got the surgery, and still holds a steady job in spite of all that upheaval. Do the math: the guy holds a steady job, doesn't bother anybody, and behaves politely toward you and your family. Meanwhile, what are you doing? Are you going to publicize and make a scene over your opinions toward his gender identity? Everyone in your neighborhood is going to think that you need the mental help. They might think your transgendered neighbor is a bit weird, but you'll be the one attracting all the attention, not him. They'll have all but forgotten about his sex change in a matter of weeks.
Frankly, I feel just a little bit awkward for my first few minutes around someone who has obviously been through a sex change. I can't really help that, just because it's a really weird thing to be confronted with. Too bad for me: they're people that I have to deal with and coexist with in my day-to-day life. I swallow those feelings, and I give myself a few minutes to adjust. If you can't do the same, then right-minded people are going to see you as a loony. Sheesh, man, no one blames you for feeling a bit awkard about it. It's not something you see every day. In modern society, though, you're expected to behave with a certain amount of tolerance. THAT is the cultural norm now. If you can't comply with it, people are going to see you as a freak.
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2) No, I wouldn't want one. I'm a human male (although some of you might question my humanity). Why would I want to be anything else?
I don't know. Why would you? Why wouldn't you? It isn't necessary to have an answer.
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3) Ectoplasm? Ghosts are a bit silly.
So is religion. It remains, though, that I would love to become a formless cloud of ectoplasm and spend a few centuries buried in the heart of some black hole somewhere meditating upon the nature of the universe. That's where I get most of my thrills, man.
1) Hormone replacements. Yes, does it still make them a man/woman? No.
I don't really care what it makes them as long as it improves their mental health. That's the idea behind it as far as I'm concerned. Even if they were doing it just for kicks and giggles, though, I just wouldn't care. Frankly, I find it disturbing and a little perverse that you seem to have such a deep interest in other people's gender identities. Nevermind what your transgendered next-door neighbor is doing. Think about what you're doing. Say your next-door neighbor is someone who very discreetly had his gender changed from female to male, got the surgery, and still holds a steady job in spite of all that upheaval. Do the math: the guy holds a steady job, doesn't bother anybody, and behaves politely toward you and your family. Meanwhile, what are you doing? Are you going to publicize and make a scene over your opinions toward his gender identity? Everyone in your neighborhood is going to think that you need the mental help. They might think your transgendered neighbor is a bit weird, but you'll be the one attracting all the attention, not him. They'll have all but forgotten about his sex change in a matter of weeks.
Frankly, I feel just a little bit awkward for my first few minutes around someone who has obviously been through a sex change. I can't really help that, just because it's a really weird thing to be confronted with. Too bad for me: they're people that I have to deal with and coexist with in my day-to-day life. I swallow those feelings, and I give myself a few minutes to adjust. If you can't do the same, then right-minded people are going to see you as a loony. Sheesh, man, no one blames you for feeling a bit awkard about it. It's not something you see every day. In modern society, though, you're expected to behave with a certain amount of tolerance. THAT is the cultural norm now. If you can't comply with it, people are going to see you as a freak.
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2) No, I wouldn't want one. I'm a human male (although some of you might question my humanity). Why would I want to be anything else?
I don't know. Why would you? Why wouldn't you? It isn't necessary to have an answer.
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3) Ectoplasm? Ghosts are a bit silly.
So is religion. It remains, though, that I would love to become a formless cloud of ectoplasm and spend a few centuries buried in the heart of some black hole somewhere meditating upon the nature of the universe. That's where I get most of my thrills, man.
1) Now, I understand the necessity of tolerance in society, but to what extent? To the extent where I give up my ideals in order to garner friendships? I've met some crazy people. I know of some who believe everything of what is in the bible, quran, vedas, or of the politicians they admire. I'm ok with that, although some of you here are not. I couldn't care less about a person who is gay, although I do feel uncomfortable around them. Transgendered people just come across as unacceptable, however. Are they good people? How would I know, and really I do not care. To believe that a person is entitled to be accepted over such a thing is "preposterous" to me. Am I being intolerant? Yes, because I am not accepting. But to believe that these people MUST be accepted is equally intolerant. This world IS unequal, and will remain so. It is intolerant and to think that by making a congress of peace-love-unity it will solve the world, it isn't who I am and goes against what I actually see in this world--from all sides.
If my neighbor was a transgendered/transsexual, I would hope that its partner knows of the operation. For such a person to think that because they've gone through some form of surgery they're entitled to automatically be referred to as the new gender they may appear to look like... THAT is the unacceptable part. I recall a news story some years (or year) ago about a man wanting to file suit over not being allowed to use the womens bathroom. How can anyone expect me to support such a "progression" in our society? Yes, I will be disrespectful by not calling a man who insists on being a woman as a SHE. It was born male, and is still a male for all I'm concerned. The same goes for a woman.
Your part of being a freak is not very convincing. How many in the autistic community have not been called or considered a freak? Also, what is your idea of tolerance? I am not a rude person. I'm not going to insult you to your face. Just understand that I won't accept such a lifestyle. It seems to me that the whole "modern society" is built upon this hypocrisy: We must accept everyone. Anyone who doesn't should leave.
2) I am fine being who I am. Is it difficult living knowing my own mortality? Sure. Would I change anything? No. I'm content with what has been given to me.
3) Ah. I will pray that when I die I return to consciousness. If I land on Heaven, I know that I didn't accomplish everything that I needed to do in this world.
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject:
I'm surprised this is even an issue. Then I realised we're talking about the united states of religion, and smiled.
Of course gays should be allowed to get married. In NZ it's called a Civil Union, but is more or less the same thing. The sky didn't fall down, nobody was smited... and more people had their long-term love and devotion to one another married. Who are we to judge who is and isn't in love? And how is one person's love stronger and more important than someone else's? And why should they be denied fundamental rights related to relationships, just because that relationship happens to be in the minority type of coupling?
I love my gay friends. I also know a few gays who are absolute idiots. Guess what? I also love my hetero friends. And I know a few heteros who are absolute idiots. Funny how it works, eh? _________________ We are a fever, we are a fever, we ain't born typical...
as a member of the queer community I would love to see same sex marriages recognized; in addition I know an MTF and she is a human being just like anyone else who happens to have the wrong body for her gender
I'm surprised this is even an issue. Then I realised we're talking about the united states of religion, and smiled.
Of course gays should be allowed to get married. In NZ it's called a Civil Union, but is more or less the same thing. The sky didn't fall down, nobody was smited... and more people had their long-term love and devotion to one another married. Who are we to judge who is and isn't in love? And how is one person's love stronger and more important than someone else's? And why should they be denied fundamental rights related to relationships, just because that relationship happens to be in the minority type of coupling?
I love my gay friends. I also know a few gays who are absolute idiots. Guess what? I also love my hetero friends. And I know a few heteros who are absolute idiots. Funny how it works, eh?
Well, I'm sure there are people who differentiate from unions to marriage. It is not equal in a certain sense; one being court-issued the other by a religious establishment.
1) Now, I understand the necessity of tolerance in society, but to what extent? To the extent where I give up my ideals in order to garner friendships?
Forget garnering friendships. This is just to keep people from bitch-slapping you. People don't have the patience to deal with an intolerant prig who thinks his feces must smell like roses just because he cleans his ass with baby wipes.
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If my neighbor was a transgendered/transsexual, I would hope that its partner knows of the operation.
Not if he wished to remain silent on the issue. Furthermore, it wouldn't be your place to "out" him if he wished to remain anonymous. It's not your place.
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I recall a news story some years (or year) ago about a man wanting to file suit over not being allowed to use the womens bathroom.
I don't sympathize. She could have avoided making a scene and still had her way if she'd exercised the social skills of a New York cockroach. People are generally pretty easy to persuade on that sort of issue.
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Yes, I will be disrespectful by not calling a man who insists on being a woman as a SHE.
The problem, though, is that you're doing it just to be an annoying prat. That's all there is to it.
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It was born male, and is still a male for all I'm concerned. The same goes for a woman.
I don't care either way. If someone wants to take on the social role of a woman, I'm not complaining. The same goes for the reverse.
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Also, what is your idea of tolerance?
A fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose beliefs or practices differ from one's own.
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It seems to me that the whole "modern society" is built upon this hypocrisy: We must accept everyone. Anyone who doesn't should leave.
Precisely. The gist of it is that we win, and you lose. Don't like it? Tough. Tolerance WILL be forced upon you. Your children WILL be indoctrinated into it from the earliest age possible. You WILL be bullied if you behave like a prig. You are presently the number one most disliked group in Western society. Many seem to take a great deal of pleasure just in shaking up your world. This is beatdown, so eat it, bitch. Muahaha!
Hey, everyone! Act like a weirdo, and do it in public! It keeps people who think like this guy at home!
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2) I am fine being who I am. Is it difficult living knowing my own mortality? Sure. Would I change anything? No. I'm content with what has been given to me.
I'd be content fasting and meditating on a rock somewhere. I could do it anytime I wanted to. All I'd have to do is wander out to the Appalachains, strip naked, and spend a while staying as far away from other human beings as possible. I've never particularly liked them, overall. Often, the feelings have been mutual.
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3) Ah. I will pray that when I die I return to consciousness.
Why?
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1) If a person is insulted to the point of wanting to attack me because I don't agree with their lifestyle, who is the rational of the group? I who criticize or they who attack?
2) If he does not disclose his original gender then he is less than a pig.
3) HE is not a woman. HE has no right to go to the woman's bathroom.
4) I would do it because it does not make sense in my head to consider a man who looks like a female, or desires to be a female, a woman. It does not correlate. There is nothing in my part that is meant to annoy.
5) That is because you would like to accept everyone, yet at the same time criticize those who don't. I'm being realistic about this issue. I do not like the transgendered because I feel they are flawed in their thinking. Just because they want to be accepted does not give them the right to demand such acceptance. If it was a black man who wasn't accepted for being black, that is an issue. A man who wants to be a woman, is not an issue to me.
6) You do not practice what you preach. You have before insulted people who have contradicting beliefs--I can note a couple occurrences in this reply. How fair, objective, and permissive is your attitude?
7) Precisely. It is an intolerant society begging for tolerance. It is not possible for such a goal to be achieved. In such a society I will freely speak out.
1 ) I have no Feelings against other humans. My position is against their actions. We are all humans.
1) If a person is insulted to the point of wanting to attack me because I don't agree with their lifestyle, who is the rational of the group? I who criticize or they who attack?
They who attack. Pest control.
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2) If he does not disclose his original gender then he is less than a pig.
Nope. It just makes him someone who wants to live something resembling a normal life.
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3) HE is not a woman. HE has no right to go to the woman's bathroom.
Nonsense. It's no big deal, man. It's mostly just a social custom. I can understand the rationale behind it, but it just isn't applicable in her particular case. The women who made the complaint were just being squeamish. Frankly, I also think they were being a bit selfish.
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4) I would do it because it does not make sense in my head to consider a man who looks like a female, or desires to be a female, a woman. It does not correlate. There is nothing in my part that is meant to annoy.
There is no OTHER intention. The only purpose you have in it is to get under the skin of people whom you don't entirely agree with.
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5) That is because you would like to accept everyone, yet at the same time criticize those who don't.
Not quite. I don't accept thievery, bullying, or coercion. I don't accept vandalism or aggressive driving. I don't accept people who pace me unnecessarily while I'm driving down the highway, and I regularly signal and change into their lane just to hear their tires screeching and their horns blaring. I don't accept a bad attitude from bank tellers, and, if I don't like how I'm treated, I switch to a different bank. I have done so on more than one occasion. I don't have patience for intellectual laziness, and I have an intense hatred for conservatives, pedophiles, and various other undesirables.
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I'm being realistic about this issue. I do not like the transgendered because I feel they are flawed in their thinking. Just because they want to be accepted does not give them the right to demand such acceptance.
They have an inherent right to pursue a peaceful, comfortable existence.
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6) You do not practice what you preach. You have before insulted people who have contradicting beliefs--I can note a couple occurrences in this reply. How fair, objective, and permissive is your attitude?
I'm pretty laid back until I'm confronted with a dedicated conformist.
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7) Precisely. It is an intolerant society begging for tolerance.
Who's begging? We're demanding it. Capitulate, or be destroyed.
1) If a person is insulted to the point of wanting to attack me because I don't agree with their lifestyle, who is the rational of the group? I who criticize or they who attack?
They who attack. Pest control.
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2) If he does not disclose his original gender then he is less than a pig.
Nope. It just makes him someone who wants to live something resembling a normal life.
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3) HE is not a woman. HE has no right to go to the woman's bathroom.
Nonsense. It's no big deal, man. It's mostly just a social custom. I can understand the rationale behind it, but it just isn't applicable in her particular case. The women who made the complaint were just being squeamish. Frankly, I also think they were being a bit selfish.
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4) I would do it because it does not make sense in my head to consider a man who looks like a female, or desires to be a female, a woman. It does not correlate. There is nothing in my part that is meant to annoy.
There is no OTHER intention. The only purpose you have in it is to get under the skin of people whom you don't entirely agree with.
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5) That is because you would like to accept everyone, yet at the same time criticize those who don't.
Not quite. I don't accept thievery, bullying, or coercion. I don't accept vandalism or aggressive driving. I don't accept people who pace me unnecessarily while I'm driving down the highway, and I regularly signal and change into their lane just to hear their tires screeching and their horns blaring. I don't accept a bad attitude from bank tellers, and, if I don't like how I'm treated, I switch to a different bank. I have done so on more than one occasion. I don't have patience for intellectual laziness, and I have an intense hatred for conservatives, pedophiles, and various other undesirables.
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I'm being realistic about this issue. I do not like the transgendered because I feel they are flawed in their thinking. Just because they want to be accepted does not give them the right to demand such acceptance.
They have an inherent right to pursue a peaceful, comfortable existence.
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6) You do not practice what you preach. You have before insulted people who have contradicting beliefs--I can note a couple occurrences in this reply. How fair, objective, and permissive is your attitude?
I'm pretty laid back until I'm confronted with a dedicated conformist.
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7) Precisely. It is an intolerant society begging for tolerance.
Who's begging? We're demanding it. Capitulate, or be destroyed.
1) The pests are those who demand equalities over absurd matters.
2) The partner may want to have children. The transsexual in its all-selfish glory has denied this possibility.
3) I can never accept a dog who wants to be a cat. It can bark and bite all it wants to be accepted. In the end it is still a dog.
4) Not at all. I don't purposely amuse myself by having confrontations with others, that isn't my lifestyle. I cannot accept what is wrong. That is it. If my father murdered a man, he will cease from being my father. If my brother raped a woman, he will no longer be my brother. A man who wants to be a woman, will never be. I cannot accept it.
5) That is your problem against aggressors. I don't find nothing aggressive about a person not wanting to accept the lifestyle of another.
They have a right to live how they want, but when it involves me it becomes my problem. They do not have a right on expecting me to accept them with open arms.
6) I am always laid back. I don't prefer to get angry or insult people. I've done it before but it's not who I generally am.
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