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Macbeth
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| Khan_Sama wrote: | There are idiots in every community, lol. Why do you consider the actions of a few and label them with the rest?
My city is 55% Muslim. *Looks around for preachers*. I don't see any trying to convert the 40% Hindu and 5% Christian population. Strange. I see the 5% Christian population's missionaries every now and again telling me that Jesus is the only answer.
Are you aware of what an Imam is in Islam? There's no priesthood in Islam, anyone in a group who has the most knowledge on the religion can be the Imam. Other types of knowledge can't apply. There are five mosques within walking distance from my home. All the imams are different. While one Imam might talk about charity, showing kindness, etc, another Imam could be talking about boycotting American products, talking about jihad, etc. I'm sure that applies to priests of every religion as well. However, unlike the other religions, we reserve the right to impeach these Imams if we consider their views as incorrect. Unfortunately, most Muslims blindly listen to what they say.
Btw, suicide + murder are sins in Islam. It's a one way ticket to hell. I will never understand why these lunatics blow themselves up in the name of Allah without realising that what they're doing is completely forbidden and despised by him. Ask any Muslim in your neighbourhood about what they think about suicide, murder, and jihad. Their answer will completely go against your belief that Islam preaches murder and suicide. There are upto 1.4 billion people who call themselves Muslim in this planet. How many exactly are terrorists? I doubt the number exceeds 50,000.
As for the stoning of women, I've already explained it in a thread in the love and dating section. I'll quote my post here.
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Regarding adultery, stoning to death goes against Islam. It's a western misconception that was created after a Nigerian woman was stoned to death for having an illegitimate child, this was actually an ancient African practice that Muslims in the north of Nigeria adopted. This is the actual punishment for adultery:
| An-Nur 24: 2, The Holy Quran wrote: | | The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment |
Pardon me for defending my faith. |
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I never said that Islam itself preaches murder, though other muslims have said it has very strong views about getting on with jews. As far as stoning is concerned.. Islamic states condone this as a form of execution. Whether its in the paperwork or not is irrelevant.. the do it. Likewise with the suicide bombing bollocks. I am well aware that the whole thing goes against what is written.. but someone is obviously reading it wrong, and reading it loudly.
In other words, Islam is hugely open to interpretation, because people are interpreting it in horribly fatal ways. Also.. "few idiots" is relative. I seem to recall huge numbers of people ranting and calling for beheadings, killings, jihad etc etc over 1) the pope being misquoted/misunderstood 2) a cartoon 3) that book by Salman Rushdie, which was utter shite. I seem to recall a whole nation up in arms because Richard Gere kissed Shilpa Shetty (sp?) on stage.. OMGODZORZ how bad is that? Really... come on...
Regardless of how benevolent, unmilitant, moderate and sensible you might be, there are a thousand more ready to kill over something as stupid as a beard or a kite.
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oscuria
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I never said that Islam itself preaches murder, though other muslims have said it has very strong views about getting on with jews. As far as stoning is concerned.. Islamic states condone this as a form of execution. Whether its in the paperwork or not is irrelevant.. the do it. Likewise with the suicide bombing bollocks. I am well aware that the whole thing goes against what is written.. but someone is obviously reading it wrong, and reading it loudly.
In other words, Islam is hugely open to interpretation, because people are interpreting it in horribly fatal ways. Also.. "few idiots" is relative. I seem to recall huge numbers of people ranting and calling for beheadings, killings, jihad etc etc over 1) the pope being misquoted/misunderstood 2) a cartoon 3) that book by Salman Rushdie, which was utter shite. I seem to recall a whole nation up in arms because Richard Gere kissed Shilpa Shetty (sp?) on stage.. OMGODZORZ how bad is that? Really... come on...
Regardless of how benevolent, unmilitant, moderate and sensible you might be, there are a thousand more ready to kill over something as stupid as a beard or a kite. |
That is because Muslims would rather follow Hadith/sunna than their Qur'an. |
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Odin
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| oscuria wrote: | | parts wrote: | | Some day they my emerge from the Dark Ages this may be their first step but they have so far to go |
Ask them and they'll tell you we are living in the Dark Ages.
| Chibi_Neko wrote: | | About time I say. I have studied Islam beliefs and I understand the reason for seperating the genders, but when it comes to dictating a person's beliefs to the point that gender seperation is law.... that is going too far. Religion is a personal issue, if people want to be gender mixed than they can do that if they want to. The government should stay out. |
Religion is not a personal issue there. It is a way of life. It is something that involves all. Because of such, it dictates the life of all.
It's an Islamic nation. You have to understand that.
I will agree with you that Saudia is a very strict country with limited rights to non-muslims. If you are a muslim, it can be heaven. If you're not, don't expect anything. |
No. Human rights are universal and any religion or ideology that does not respect human rights is evil and immoral. I have no use for cultural relativist BS, cultures that do not respect human rights ought not to exist. If that makes me a "Western Cultural Imperialist" so be it.
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Odin
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| Khan_Sama wrote: | | Btw, what makes you think that we consider women as "evil"? It certainly shows that you have no knowledge whatsoever about our faith, or any faith on that matter. This reminds me of a particular quote - "A little knowledge can be dangerous. Lack of knowledge can be embarrassing." |
Islamic culture is inherently misogynist.
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oscuria
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No. Human rights are universal and any religion or ideology that does not respect human rights is evil and immoral. I have no use for cultural relativist BS, cultures that do not respect human rights ought not to exist. If that makes me a "Western Cultural Imperialist" so be it. |
No one practices human rights--definitely not the UN, so such an argument is not worth anything. What is right for you is not right for others, and there is definitely not a universal understanding of what it means to have rights as a human.
I can understand the reason for an organization like Amnesty International, but many times they proclaim "HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSE" when they've no merit to enter the discussion. Such events are when it involves imprisonment and capital punishment. Other's are religious, and what have you. Frankly, there are times when I think they take it too extreme. Like Peta for people.
I understand the necessary reason for being "Free" and having "human rights" but allowing people to do what they want is not freedom. People in the west do not like being told what to do, or at least be aware that they are. |
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as measured by the Hejira (sp?), Islam is well over a thousand years old (5th Century AD/1 hejira). Older than Protestantism (successful ones, anyways.. , Mormonism, Sikh, Scientologist (j/k..., etc. Only Hinduism, Shinto (I think), Jewish, Buddist (sp?) and Catholic major religions are older.
Shia is an offshoot of Sunni (tradition), and Wahabi is a very strict form of Islam (sort of like Southern Baptists/Evangelicals in Christianity). The Wahabi don't have missionaries per se (the faith was 'supposed' to advance 'with fire and sword'), but the Saudi government has spent millions upon millions to 'convert' with madrassas and mosques, the rest of Islam. There's a sort of 'agreement' with the Wahabi mullahs and the Saudi aristocracy to mutually support each other's goals. Now that they have billions to play with, they want to 'correct' the other sects of Islam.
There are many average Muslims around the world that don't want a fight; Malaysia and Indonesia are Muslim, and even a lot of Pakistanis are fairly moderate. But, as the media doesn't consider peaceable, average people to be newsworthy, the only ones you hear about are bomb-carrying Terminators. |
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Odin
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| oscuria wrote: | | Odin wrote: |
No. Human rights are universal and any religion or ideology that does not respect human rights is evil and immoral. I have no use for cultural relativist BS, cultures that do not respect human rights ought not to exist. If that makes me a "Western Cultural Imperialist" so be it. |
No one practices human rights--definitely not the UN, so such an argument is not worth anything. What is right for you is not right for others, and there is definitely not a universal understanding of what it means to have rights as a human. |
Did you miss the part where I called cultural relativism BS?  Morality is by definition universal, if something is immoral it is immoral everywhere regardless of culture.
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Khan_Sama
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| Macbeth wrote: | | Khan_Sama wrote: | There are idiots in every community, lol. Why do you consider the actions of a few and label them with the rest?
My city is 55% Muslim. *Looks around for preachers*. I don't see any trying to convert the 40% Hindu and 5% Christian population. Strange. I see the 5% Christian population's missionaries every now and again telling me that Jesus is the only answer.
Are you aware of what an Imam is in Islam? There's no priesthood in Islam, anyone in a group who has the most knowledge on the religion can be the Imam. Other types of knowledge can't apply. There are five mosques within walking distance from my home. All the imams are different. While one Imam might talk about charity, showing kindness, etc, another Imam could be talking about boycotting American products, talking about jihad, etc. I'm sure that applies to priests of every religion as well. However, unlike the other religions, we reserve the right to impeach these Imams if we consider their views as incorrect. Unfortunately, most Muslims blindly listen to what they say.
Btw, suicide + murder are sins in Islam. It's a one way ticket to hell. I will never understand why these lunatics blow themselves up in the name of Allah without realising that what they're doing is completely forbidden and despised by him. Ask any Muslim in your neighbourhood about what they think about suicide, murder, and jihad. Their answer will completely go against your belief that Islam preaches murder and suicide. There are upto 1.4 billion people who call themselves Muslim in this planet. How many exactly are terrorists? I doubt the number exceeds 50,000.
As for the stoning of women, I've already explained it in a thread in the love and dating section. I'll quote my post here.
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Regarding adultery, stoning to death goes against Islam. It's a western misconception that was created after a Nigerian woman was stoned to death for having an illegitimate child, this was actually an ancient African practice that Muslims in the north of Nigeria adopted. This is the actual punishment for adultery:
| An-Nur 24: 2, The Holy Quran wrote: | | The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment |
Pardon me for defending my faith. |
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I never said that Islam itself preaches murder, though other muslims have said it has very strong views about getting on with jews. As far as stoning is concerned.. Islamic states condone this as a form of execution. Whether its in the paperwork or not is irrelevant.. the do it. Likewise with the suicide bombing bollocks. I am well aware that the whole thing goes against what is written.. but someone is obviously reading it wrong, and reading it loudly. |
If anything goes against the Quran, it's not Islam. The only known states (as far as my knowledge goes) that allow stoning are Nigeria (only the northern Sharia courts), and Afghanistan (during Taliban rule). In both states, it's an ancient custom that's thousands of years old. I repeat again, if it goes against the Quran, it's not Islam. The Quran isn't a bunch of "paperwork", it's everything to a Muslim. However, elements of culture that do not agree with Islam happen to be followed in most parts of the Muslim world. Baba Ali has explained this phenomenon, while also showing support for cultural aspects that agree with Islam.
| Macbeth wrote: | In other words, Islam is hugely open to interpretation, because people are interpreting it in horribly fatal ways. Also.. "few idiots" is relative. I seem to recall huge numbers of people ranting and calling for beheadings, killings, jihad etc etc over 1) the pope being misquoted/misunderstood 2) a cartoon 3) that book by Salman Rushdie, which was utter shite. I seem to recall a whole nation up in arms because Richard Gere kissed Shilpa Shetty (sp?) on stage.. OMGODZORZ how bad is that? Really... come on...
Regardless of how benevolent, unmilitant, moderate and sensible you might be, there are a thousand more ready to kill over something as stupid as a beard or a kite. |
Do you mean to say there aren't fanatic christians or atheists? Look around you, fanatics exist in every community, in every religion, in every belief. To point out these fanatics and say that they represent millions if not a billion is rather immature on your part. Also, the nation which "went up in arms" because of Richard Gere kissing Shilpa Shetty was India, which is a Hindu-majority nation, which is my country. Actually, it was fanatic/semi-facist Hindu right-wing party in the state of Maharashtra, the Shiv-Sena, which caused the ruckus. They always do this, they're well known for attacking news agencies that criticise their leaders, and they happen to be in the opposition for a good reason - people are tired of their bull sh**. Do they represent India's 850 million (plus) Hindus? No. They're just a bunch of silly politicians.
Face it, fanatics exist everywhere, from Muslim extremists to Neo-Nazis, you find them everywhere. They happen to be in extremely small numbers, but the media always blows it out of proportion.
| pakled wrote: | | There are many average Muslims around the world that don't want a fight; Malaysia and Indonesia are Muslim, and even a lot of Pakistanis are fairly moderate. But, as the media doesn't consider peaceable, average people to be newsworthy, the only ones you hear about are bomb-carrying Terminators. |
Quoted for truth. |
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| Odin wrote: | | No. Human rights are universal and any religion or ideology that does not respect human rights is evil and immoral. I have no use for cultural relativist BS, cultures that do not respect human rights ought not to exist. If that makes me a "Western Cultural Imperialist" so be it. |
THANK YOU!! I am not afraid to say it, cultures based on strict Shari'a law/Wahaabism/WTF you feel like calling that fundie crap are inferior to modern Western cultures. No we aren't perfect, but we don't bury people who disagree with us in sand and throw rocks at their heads. Call me bigoted or racist if you like. It won't change the fact that I would rather live in the modern, civilized West than a repressive, backwards theocracy.
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Khan_Sama
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It's not like the Saudis are asking you to live there, nor are they trying to impose their laws on you. It's a free world, you have the right to live where you want. Or at least, it's a right everyone deserves.
Also, the Saudis don't bury people in sand or throw rocks on their heads. WTF gave you that idea? Saudi is mainly criticised for separation of sexes and such, and the main physical punishment of lashing and executing murderers/rapists. Get your facts right. |
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| Khan_Sama wrote: | It's not like the Saudis are asking you to live there, nor are they trying to impose their laws on you. It's a free world, you have the right to live where you want. Or at least, it's a right everyone deserves.
Also, the Saudis don't bury people in sand or throw rocks on their heads. WTF gave you that idea? Saudi is mainly criticised for separation of sexes and such, and the main physical punishment of lashing and executing murderers/rapists. Get your facts right. |
One goal of extremist Islam is the eventual conversion of the whole world and the imposition of Shari'a everywhere, so yes, some of them are trying to impose their laws on me. Stoning for apostasy is still on the law books in several countries. These same people have also put bounties on the heads of people who they believe have "insulted Islam," even making it such that these people aren't always safe from such lunatics even in more tolerant Western nations.
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| Orwell wrote: | | Khan_Sama wrote: | It's not like the Saudis are asking you to live there, nor are they trying to impose their laws on you. It's a free world, you have the right to live where you want. Or at least, it's a right everyone deserves.
Also, the Saudis don't bury people in sand or throw rocks on their heads. WTF gave you that idea? Saudi is mainly criticised for separation of sexes and such, and the main physical punishment of lashing and executing murderers/rapists. Get your facts right. |
One goal of extremist Islam is the eventual conversion of the whole world and the imposition of Shari'a everywhere, so yes, some of them are trying to impose their laws on me. Stoning for apostasy is still on the law books in several countries. These same people have also put bounties on the heads of people who they believe have "insulted Islam," even making it such that these people aren't always safe from such lunatics even in more tolerant Western nations. |
How many extremists, moderates, and liberals are out there exactly? I can point out many more instances of extremism in the west. True, Al-Qaeda wishes to dominate the world, restore the caliphate, and impose Sharia, but do you really think a handful of guys in the mountains of the tribal areas of Pakistan can accomplish such a ridiculous goal? It's hillarious when you think about it.
The only country that allows stoning for adultery or any other crime right now is Nigeria, in the northern Sharia courts. It's an ancient African custom. Not Islamic. Watch this video on how culture goes against Islam.
Yeah, a mosque in Bombay here recently called for a fatwa against a bollywood actor, Salman Khan, for worshiping an idol of Ganesha. Most Muslims just laugh it off, only a few actually agree with them. Islamic society, like any other, is divided into Liberals, Moderates, and Extremists. Most Muslims are moderates, few like me are Liberals, very few are extremists. However, the extremists are given most of the media attention. A guy calling for the execution of millions is a lot more interesting than a guy asking for donations for the poor, you see. |
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I know American Muslims who call themselves moderates and desire to impose Shari'a over the whole world. Stoning is still on the law books in Pakistan, Yemen, and a couple other countries. If the threats these people have made against Rushdie and people who speak out against extremism are all jokes, why do the threatened individuals have to have government protection or go into hiding? I know most Muslims aren't lunatics. Far from it. But there are some who are very dangerous to other cultures. Yes, we have extremists too. Ours aren't able to pose much of a threat. We managed to stamp out the KKK.
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| Orwell wrote: | | I know American Muslims who call themselves moderates and desire to impose Shari'a over the whole world. Stoning is still on the law books in Pakistan, Yemen, and a couple other countries. If the threats these people have made against Rushdie and people who speak out against extremism are all jokes, why do the threatened individuals have to have government protection or go into hiding? I know most Muslims aren't lunatics. Far from it. But there are some who are very dangerous to other cultures. Yes, we have extremists too. Ours aren't able to pose much of a threat. We managed to stamp out the KKK. |
Yes, I want to be the Emperor of the world as well, and impose my version of Sharia where rapists and murderers are executed and there's no prohibition on any drug or alcohol. Now what other Muslim will support my absurd goal? None. Fortunately or unfortunately, Islam is a very diverse religion, and views differ in every Islamic community. Face it buddy, every man wants power. That's undeniable. Power corrupts, and what lovely corruption it must be. ^^
Ok, I did some proper research on stoning, and discovered this: Iran does allow stoning lawfully, however, it hasn't exercised this law in many years, as the reformists are currently in control of the government. In northern Nigeria, it is lawful, and exercised regularly. http://www.ishr.org claims that stoning took place in the KSA, UAE, and Sudan, with no sources or references. Yemen is a secular country, with no stoning whatsoever. Please note, stoning is a very controvertial topic in Islam, it is a purely cultural phenomenon, and has very little or no support among most Muslims.
Do you think Muslims are not trying to stamp out the extremists? Is not the Muslim brotherhood banned in Egypt? Did not most Muslim countries declare Al-Qaeda a terrorist organisation? Is not Hamas banned in Jordan or Egypt? In fact, I think Hezbollah is the only extremist organisation allowed to freely operate in its country. |
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| Khan_Sama wrote: | | Orwell wrote: | | I know American Muslims who call themselves moderates and desire to impose Shari'a over the whole world. Stoning is still on the law books in Pakistan, Yemen, and a couple other countries. If the threats these people have made against Rushdie and people who speak out against extremism are all jokes, why do the threatened individuals have to have government protection or go into hiding? I know most Muslims aren't lunatics. Far from it. But there are some who are very dangerous to other cultures. Yes, we have extremists too. Ours aren't able to pose much of a threat. We managed to stamp out the KKK. |
Yes, I want to be the Emperor of the world as well, and impose my version of Sharia where rapists and murderers are executed and there's no prohibition on any drug or alcohol. Now what other Muslim will support my absurd goal? None. Fortunately or unfortunately, Islam is a very diverse religion, and views differ in every Islamic community. Face it buddy, every man wants power. That's undeniable. Power corrupts, and what lovely corruption it must be. ^^
Ok, I did some proper research on stoning, and discovered this: Iran does allow stoning lawfully, however, it hasn't exercised this law in many years, as the reformists are currently in control of the government. In northern Nigeria, it is lawful, and exercised regularly. http://www.ishr.org claims that stoning took place in the KSA, UAE, and Sudan, with no sources or references. Yemen is a secular country, with no stoning whatsoever. Please note, stoning is a very controvertial topic in Islam, it is a purely cultural phenomenon, and has very little or no support among most Muslims.
Do you think Muslims are not trying to stamp out the extremists? Is not the Muslim brotherhood banned in Egypt? Did not most Muslim countries declare Al-Qaeda a terrorist organisation? Is not Hamas banned in Jordan or Egypt? In fact, I think Hezbollah is the only extremist organisation allowed to freely operate in its country. |
Orwell, do we live in the same America? The Klan is still here and in great numbers. The Government have never declaired them a terrorist group even after a hundred years of lynching and burning the bodies. The Klan marches in the streets in robes! There is a dispute between a Black Church who owns a property and a Klan supply store a tenent runs in Atlanta now.
They are public, open, and have made many areas of the south black free, white only.
They have killed more people than Al-Qaeda. It is not long ago and far away, it is recent and current in the South. The Klan is also active in the Ohio Valley, it is not just the deep south. Google Klan Watch, for the latest news before proclaiming America free of highly organized hate groups.
Stoneing is Biblical, the Christian Right wants to revive it. Down here we see no differance between Christian Right, Southern Baptist and the Klan.
Now their acts are larger, Worldcom, and the flooding of New Orleans was intentional. A city stands empty, 250,000 gone, and that got rid of 100,000 Democratic votes and got a Republican elected.
1576 people died in that attack on America. The UN is now involved, calling for a right of return, to restore what has been the most non white city in the south.
Bangladesh gets rebuilt after a storm or flood, Indonisia, but not New Orleans? We are long known, twice as old as the US, Spanish, French, Creole, for here it is not black and white, but all shades and surviving cultures. We spoke French in 1803 when the Anti Christ Napolon sold us to the slave master Thomas Jefferson. What did you buy from Hitler?
We are the most European city in America, and America hates us. We were promissed our lands, wealth, laws, then the Americans came and any with one drop of black blood were killed, and their children enslaved.
What would you know about Human Rights? After us it was the extermination of the Native Americans west of the Mississippi.
Blacks got freedom in 1964, and ten years later Native Americans were let free. It was only two and a half years ago when New Orleans was intentionally destroyed as part of the white agenda.
So you must mean the White Human Right to Genocide.
Texas most likely exacutes more people than the Islamic world, legally, and a lot more under the table. It was part of Mexico till 1845, three hundred years, and then the whites came and slaughtered people for speaking Spanish. How many men have you killed, was a white only question, Mexicans and Native Americans did not count
It was not that long ago there was a $2 bounty on Native American scalps, women, children, or Mexican, black hair was worth $2.
So you are now moral? Who are American Whites to speak of anyone else?
Islam does kill murders and rapists. But only after proof and trial.
More innocents have been killed in Iraq than Islam has killed in 100 years.
Their collective crime is being heir to the Iraqi oil fields.
Nothing but the children of Iraq, one generation, standing between you and all that oil
Ya, they were in a Dark Age, and you are bringing them Freedom, Sure!
You had to do it because of Islam, Sure!
It is a worldwide struggle between the White Christian Right, and Evil Islam. Sure!
Your Saudi allies who committed 9/11 are now stageing press releases about a mixed concert. Sure!
You deny the Klan exists, was stamped out, on the Internet? What next, no Holicost?
How did you come to posess the inheritance of Native America children?
The graves of 13,000 years are beneath your feet.
They kept it in perfect condition, and left it to their children.
Now tell us how you are moral, and support human rights, other than your own. |
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