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LeKiwi
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| Orwell wrote: | | LeKiwi wrote: | I don't know anyone who hasn't had it.  |
Now you do. |
Aren't you worried about that? 
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| LeKiwi wrote: | | Orwell wrote: | | LeKiwi wrote: | | I don't know anyone who hasn't had it. |
Now you do. |
Aren't you worried about that? |
Worried about what? Not having had chicken pox? Not really. After it became obvious to my doctor that I wasn't catching chicken pox on my own (we had waited several years because it's just as well to have chicken pox and get immunity that way) I did eventually receive the varicella vaccination. Now I have the same immunity as anyone else who actually had chicken pox as a child, without risking the complications that could have cropped up if I had never been vaccinated and instead caught chicken pox at the age of 30, as my father did.
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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That's why I worry about the vaccine. If you cut down on the number of childhood cases, that's more people who can get it when they're older and when the risks of complications go up higher and higher... take into consideration the rate of failure of vaccines and the number of people who get the disease anyway (which is higher than people tend to imagine) then surely that should be a bit of a worry? Given that if you just leave it as it naturally should happen, in childhood, people will end up immune anyway and with minimal risks?
If you've been repeatedly exposed to it, why would you think you need the vaccine anyway? Surely you'd just assume you've got natural immunity and be glad for that?
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| LeKiwi wrote: | | That's why I worry about the vaccine. If you cut down on the number of childhood cases, that's more people who can get it when they're older and when the risks of complications go up higher and higher... |
No, because chickenpox is much more predictable than, say, influenza. The varicella vaccine can be trusted to work much more consistently than flu vaccines. And, as I said, the doctor preferred waiting to see if I got chicken pox naturally up to a certain point, but after a while it was decided that it would be best to go ahead and give me the vaccine so I would be immune.
| Quote: | | Given that if you just leave it as it naturally should happen, in childhood, people will end up immune anyway and with minimal risks? |
But if you don't contract it early enough, you risk it beign more serious later on. I don't think it's necessary to package varicella with MMR, I would be more in favor of leaving that specific vaccine to anyone who hasn't had chickenpox by the age of maybe 13 or so.
| Quote: | | If you've been repeatedly exposed to it, why would you think you need the vaccine anyway? Surely you'd just assume you've got natural immunity and be glad for that? |
1. In order to avoid having a more serious form of it later, as happened to my father when my older sister brought chickenpox into our house and he got sick.
2. That assumption would be horribly unfounded, and more wishful thinking than anything else. See my references to my father, who never had chickenpox as a child (or the vaccine, as it didn't exist back then) and paid for it later in adulthood.
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Fair enough, I spose... I still can't understand the need for the vaccine in the first place.
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| LeKiwi wrote: | | Fair enough, I spose... I still can't understand the need for the vaccine in the first place. |
As I said, it's use makes the most sense among those (like myself) who, for whatever reason, did not contract chickenpox in early childhood. I don't see much reason for making it part of the standard immunization schedule, but it has its place.
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| LeKiwi wrote: | | I still can't understand the need for the vaccine in the first place. |
*Odin flies into an angry rage...*
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| Odin wrote: | | LeKiwi wrote: | | I still can't understand the need for the vaccine in the first place. |
*Odin flies into an angry rage...* |
I get that feeling sometimes too... I HAD just explained in detail what the need was about three separate times, but w/e.
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I can understand that, I just don't see what the need for it as a mandatory childhood vaccine is. Should've made that clearer.
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London, UK.. panic about MMR/Autism link. Number of childhood vaccinations down.. number of cases of various diseases (measles etc) in London goes up....
What is there in that which suggests a conspiracy by major pharm companies/ the government?
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I'm not suggesting any conspiracy there, though the numbers of measles cases were going down prior to mass immunisation and there are plenty of outbreaks in vaccinated populations too (they just don't make such good headlines, do they?).
Have you read up on some of the big manufacturers history and their recent antics?
Like, the fact that Bayer, third biggest pharma company in the world, was once part of IG Farben, the company that produced Zyklon B, the gas used in nazi gas chambers like at Auschwitz? But when IG Farben were tried were severe war crimes after the second world war for its role in the gas chambers, it was split into its original companies, of which Bayer is one of just three remaining and by far the biggest and most powerful? Also during the Nazi era they not only sponsered nazi Dr Josef Mengele, but they re-appointed Fritz ter Meer as head of their supervisory board AFTER he'd been jailed for nazi war crimes at the Nuremberg trials? Not only that, during the 70s they supplied products almost certainly deliberately contaminated with HIV, they've poisoned children in South America with their products, they discovered heroin, mustard gas and tabun, and are one of the leading manufacturers of pesticides and GE food in the world.
Or how about Merck of the we- put- our- scientists- into- universities- and- have- them- pose- as- independent- scientists- so- our- dodgy- and- false- studies- look- more- believeable fame? Just one example of the frauds they commit. Next up we've got the fraud they also committed by covering up and tampering with data on the safety of Vioxx, and put it on the market only to let it kill over 50,000 Americans alone, despite knowing it induced heart attacks from the very beginning. Then the dozens of individuals taking them to court over various other frauds including consumer fraud and defrauding insurance companies and the govt. They've also been dumping vaccine waste into water treatment works near their Virginia plant, which has led to interference in the treatment and mass kill-offs of fish in nearby waterways.
Just to name two of the biggest companies whose products you'll be injecting yourselves with and whose pills you'll be popping... Sound like anyone you'd trust with your body and your health??
EDIT: De-stretchifying the page
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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Yup, and I think I've made it pretty clear who... *cough* pharmawhodeliberatelyliecheatandpoisonus *cough*
Seriously, does that kind of stuff not at the very least alarm you?
I'm just so sick of seeing people sick and continuing to just poison themselves with the very things making them ill in the first place. I don't want to see another person get cancer or die a slow and horrible death or slave through life ill all the time. It's so horrible and it makes me sick to the stomach what these people are getting away with.
I just can't believe the apathy. 
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| LeKiwi wrote: | | we-put-our-scientists-into- universities-and-have-them-pose-as- independent-scientists-so-our-dodgy-and-false-studies-look-more-believeable fame? |
Please edit this, it makes the page stretch waaay out horizontally.
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| Orwell wrote: | | LeKiwi wrote: | | we-put-our-scientists-into- universities-and-have-them-pose-as- independent-scientists-so-our-dodgy-and-false-studies-look-more-believeable fame? |
Please edit this, it makes the page stretch waaay out horizontally. |
Sorry, didn't do it on my one. That better?
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