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Tails
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 Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Deadboy365 wrote: | | Tails wrote: | | Autism isn't your problem here... don't use it as a scapegoat or an excuse. These things are difficult to achieve even for 'regular' folk. |
I never said I was using it as a scapegoat!
and also my autism is a big problem for me because I wanna change the entire system!
it such a pain in the b*** coz I don't fully understand why we humans have to be told what we can/cannot have/do!!!
this is only coz my I feel that I, as an Author, should have the right to decide what MY novel should look like when it gets published!!!
and also answer this:
If humans are supposed to LEARN then why can't the world just LEARN TO READ OTHER TYPEFACES? |
I love how I put time and effort into writing a post to EXPLAIN these things, only to have you yell at me over one sentence.
You admit that your autism makes things problematic for you, right? In that case, it should be easy to grasp the notion that OTHER people might have difficulty in 'learning' to read different typefaces. Even if you're unable to empathise, surely you can utilise logic.
Besides, that was only one reason given.
Believe me, a lot of people want to change the entire system, not just autistics. Try to chill out a little rather than blowing your top when people are trying to help 
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Deadboy365
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Tails wrote: | | Deadboy365 wrote: | | Tails wrote: | | Autism isn't your problem here... don't use it as a scapegoat or an excuse. These things are difficult to achieve even for 'regular' folk. |
I never said I was using it as a scapegoat!
and also my autism is a big problem for me because I wanna change the entire system!
it such a pain in the b*** coz I don't fully understand why we humans have to be told what we can/cannot have/do!!!
this is only coz my I feel that I, as an Author, should have the right to decide what MY novel should look like when it gets published!!!
and also answer this:
If humans are supposed to LEARN then why can't the world just LEARN TO READ OTHER TYPEFACES? |
I love how I put time and effort into writing a post to EXPLAIN these things, only to have you yell at me over one sentence.
You admit that your autism makes things problematic for you, right? In that case, it should be easy to grasp the notion that OTHER people might have difficulty in 'learning' to read different typefaces. Even if you're unable to empathise, surely you can utilise logic.
Besides, that was only one reason given.
Believe me, a lot of people want to change the entire system, not just autistics. Try to chill out a little rather than blowing your top when people are trying to help |
if we had this discussion in person it wouldn't have seemed like I was:D |
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Specter
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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Yay!! I'm happy we've reached a consensus :D I just think that this thread should have been more appropriately placed in the random discussion forum; I don't see what Autism has to do with this particular topic. I can see how you have problems, but I don't see how Autism is the root of them. Everyone is different, and everyone has trouble breaking into literature/television without being controlled by the higher-ups. Just keep trying, and realize that there are some areas that you may have to compromise in, if you want to work with a publisher or the BBC. No one can have their own way all the time, especially when you're asking for someone's help in publishing/producing something.
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Deadboy365
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Specter wrote: | Yay!! I'm happy we've reached a consensus  I just think that this thread should have been more appropriately placed in the random discussion forum; I don't see what Autism has to do with this particular topic. I can see how you have problems, but I don't see how Autism is the root of them. Everyone is different, and everyone has trouble breaking into literature/television without being controlled by the higher-ups. Just keep trying, and realize that there are some areas that you may have to compromise in, if you want to work with a publisher or the BBC. No one can have their own way all the time, especially when you're asking for someone's help in publishing/producing something. |
you mean... you've been watching the thread the entire time?
and no I never said it was the root of the problem...
all I said was and I quote two things:
| Quote: | but they will never listen to me even though I tell them of my Autism...
I do not wish that to get in the way every time I ask for help because then they start to treat me as a helpless child who can’t find his/her favourite toy...
They believe I am exactly that... a helpless child... |
that's one now here is the other:
| Quote: | | for someone with Autism who is writing a fantasy novel, like myself, will find it hard to persuade the publishers to change the font to one that YOU, the author, would like to have going throughout the series of novels that you are writing... |
(I should have said "harder" not "hard")
now... do you understand that?
and also... you don't know me so... therefore that is why YOU didn't see my problem...
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Specter
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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mmm, I see a trend of hostility to those trying to understand your problem. I think I'd best go. :S
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Deadboy365
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Specter wrote: | | mmm, I see a trend of hostility to those trying to understand your problem. I think I'd best go. :S |
so... wh is this so-called "hostility" that u mention?
I am not being hostile... 
u upset me now |
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anja
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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AT LAST some one who understands... but there is just one question...
how DO I self publish? |
It's unrealistic for a not yet published author to expect a publisher to accomodate your particular wishes, when they don't conform to the usual publishing procedures. It doesn't have anything to do with autism.
If you self-publish you'll have control not only over the font used, but also editing, marketing, etc. You should ask yourself if your favourite font is worth all the extra work.
Bookstores aren't going to be any easier to deal with than the publishers, they need to sell books to cover their costs like any business. Self-published authors don't usually sell since nobody's heard about them, and in most cases self-published equals "not good enough for professional publishers". The bookstores aren't going to read your book to find out if you are the rare exception, that's what the publishers are for. |
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2ukenkerl
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| anja wrote: | | Deadboy365 wrote: |
AT LAST some one who understands... but there is just one question...
how DO I self publish? |
It's unrealistic for a not yet published author to expect a publisher to accomodate your particular wishes, when they don't conform to the usual publishing procedures. It doesn't have anything to do with autism.
If you self-publish you'll have control not only over the font used, but also editing, marketing, etc. You should ask yourself if your favourite font is worth all the extra work.
Bookstores aren't going to be any easier to deal with than the publishers, they need to sell books to cover their costs like any business. Self-published authors don't usually sell since nobody's heard about them, and in most cases self-published equals "not good enough for professional publishers". The bookstores aren't going to read your book to find out if you are the rare exception, that's what the publishers are for. |
Most self publishers ALSO sell! If the books are good enough, book dealers will try to buy them. |
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2ukenkerl
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Deadboy365 wrote: | | Tails wrote: | | Autism isn't your problem here... don't use it as a scapegoat or an excuse. These things are difficult to achieve even for 'regular' folk. |
I never said I was using it as a scapegoat!
and also my autism is a big problem for me because I wanna change the entire system!
it such a pain in the b*** coz I don't fully understand why we humans have to be told what we can/cannot have/do!!!
this is only coz my I feel that I, as an Author, should have the right to decide what MY novel should look like when it gets published!!!
and also answer this:
If humans are supposed to LEARN then why can't the world just LEARN TO READ OTHER TYPEFACES? |
Regarding being "told what we can/cannot have/do", you can do a LOT! With regard to publishing, you can do more than almost anyone ever even DREAMED in the 80s! You can do FAR more than any big company of the day, and you can do it for a PALTRY amount! EVEN if you wanted to print it in COLOR!
So don't blame OTHERS for not printing your book. In the time it takes to send out your first draft, to be approved, you could put it on line. In the time it takes it to be received by them you chould print out hundreds or thousands of hard copies! By the time you get your first rejection letter, you could be RICH!
BTW I learned to read devanagari! Do you want to write a book in THAT? It probably wouldn't sell well. YEP, people can learn but, if you require them too, forget sales. |
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anbuend
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Deadboy365 wrote: | | LoveableNerd wrote: | | Deadboy365 wrote: | AT LAST some one who understands... but there is just one question...
how DO I self publish? |
I've never done it. But here is what wikipedia has to say about it. Print on demand, through a company such as LuLu will probably be the most cost effective route. |
I'll have to look into that sometime...
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There's someone here who's published on Lulu.
And Lulu does look like one of the best companies out there for it.
If I ever decide to self-publish anything it'll likely be through Lulu. (I've thought of doing that with a book of poems and songs, because I know there's people who'll read it, but I also know that no publishing company would take my work because it's not Great Art or anything, it's just meaningful to me and possibly to some other people who'd want to read it. And I recognize that about it, so, self-publishing seems to be the way to go to do what I want to do, which is not to have a huge wide readership but just for people who think they'd like it, to be able to order a book of it instead of just putting the writing on a website. I've even thought of not even marking up the book any so I don't make money off it at all but people can still order it.)
And Lulu has a ton of advice on how to self-publish and all the ins and outs of that sort of thing on their website.
And, I'm also a fan of a different kind of fonts than are standard. The kind I like is more readable to me, anyway, because certain aspects of the letters are easier for me to distinguish. It's the kinds described in this article. Apparently they're supposed to be less legible than modern fonts, but they're way easier on my eyes anyway than modern fonts tend to be.
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Deadboy365
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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in regards to what | 2ukenkerl wrote: | | BTW I learned to read devanagari! Do you want to write a book in THAT? It probably wouldn't sell well. YEP, people can learn but, if you require them too, forget sales. |
I still believe that they (publishing companies) should use typefaces that everyone CAN read: like the one I like which is called Papyrus now that is easier to read than whatever it was you meant
and when I say typefaces I don't mean ones that are beyond readable
and yes I should have put this discussion somewhere else but I didn't know where to put it  sorry folks my fault in the first place
and I took a look at Lulu but they all too restrictive with the amount of ages you can have inside the books and the size of the books you can choose from
so am gonna try publishing my first poetry book the "normal" way and then see if the publishers I choose can cut me some deals coz they may offer me something like "if you decide to take things further down the pipeline if you keep us as your main publisher we will give you more advantages and offers, etc......" (not that I know what they'd say but they might ya kno? I mean some companies probably do that...... I suppose...... I dunno but there might be at least one that is like that......
and what does devanagari look like? show me and I'll try understand what you mean by that......
oh and also this is to all those who have read the entire thread (which I admit does have it's weakness points in it and is also getting old now and boring......) I didn't mean to be "hostile" (if you thought I was......) but it wasn't my intention to be so......
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