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Tormod
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Why is it that so many people assume that just because you can't type well it mercenarily means you're stupid? My skills in the English language may leave much to be desired. English is not my first language. I’m doing the best I can, so please don’t judge my intelligence by my lack of grammar and vocabulary.
There are also people who find letters difficult, and they aren’t stupid either. It's just like saying nonverbal autistics are stupid because of their lack of speech.
Using "words" like "u" and "r" is a different matter entirely, however. It's nothing other than laziness, and annoys the crap out of me as well. I’m just saying you shouldn’t think less of someone for not being as good at your language. |
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Flaggy
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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| darkstone100 wrote: | | I don't like the word y'all, its annoying becuase southern people use it as a cure all for the different form of "you", then they change that into, y'allses, all y'all. |
LOL - i love that word!! its great! probably cos im english and hadn't heard it before...
no - im not a grammer cop...
the thing i hate most when people speak is if they try to be 'the professor' and choose the most complicated sounding words that are just unnecceary to use in that situation
im very used to english slang and incorrect grammer
just before my brother asked me what im doing tonight -am i going ont' internet... lol
this is because my mother is from yorkshire -(though shes lost the accent and the slang because of living in another county for years) - my gran speaks like it though and they seem to like missing out the word THE... as in 'Put knife int' drawer please' instead of put the knife in the drawer please'
i think its just right to accept a middle ground - and not 'text speak' or 'proper professor' |
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SabbraCadabra
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I'm pretty tolerant of poor grammar in speech, especially now that I'm not in school anymore and don't hear it very often. Slang never bothered me much, but ebonics just makes me laugh.
Improper grammar in text just drives me nuts, but I'll try to avoid correcting people unless we're having an argument. Nothing like some guy trying to prove his incorrect point while butchering contractions in the process, then I throw it back in their face and they go silent. Passive aggressive, I guess?
I think what I hate the most is when people try to spell things KIND OF like how they sound...my latest pet peeve is "would of" instead of "would've", and etc.  I've even seen it in two professionally published works It's in this little comic book that comes with the special edition of Escape from New York, and I also found it in one of Thomas Harris's books...can't remember which one.
| SotiCoto wrote: | | Upper-Midwestern YANK accent. |
Is there a different upper-midwest accent we might be confusing it with?
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SabbraCadabra
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Tormod wrote: | | Why is it that so many people assume that just because you can't type well it mercenarily means you're stupid? My skills in the English language may leave much to be desired. English is not my first language. |
I tend to find that people who are not native speakers often have better English than natives. |
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2ukenkerl
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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| SabbraCadabra wrote: | I'm pretty tolerant of poor grammar in speech, especially now that I'm not in school anymore and don't hear it very often. Slang never bothered me much, but ebonics just makes me laugh.
Improper grammar in text just drives me nuts, but I'll try to avoid correcting people unless we're having an argument. Nothing like some guy trying to prove his incorrect point while butchering contractions in the process, then I throw it back in their face and they go silent. Passive aggressive, I guess?
I think what I hate the most is when people try to spell things KIND OF like how they sound...my latest pet peeve is "would of" instead of "would've", and etc. I've even seen it in two professionally pubished works It's in this little comic book that comes with the special edition of Escape from New York, and I also found it in one of Thomas Harris's books...can't remember which one.
| SotiCoto wrote: | | Upper-Midwestern YANK accent. |
Is there a different upper-midwest accent we might be confusing it with? |
GEE, The midwest and california sound the same! In fact, MOST of the US sounds the same(if you throw out the foreign accents.) |
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Tormod
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Flaggy wrote: |
the thing i hate most when people speak is if they try to be 'the professor' and choose the most complicated sounding words that are just unnecceary to use in that situation |
I do that. Not in English because I don't know enough words, but when speaking my own laungage I love using old, unusual and overly formal speech in all kinds of situation. I find it fun.
It's not because I want to sound intelligent though, because I don’t. It’s just my sort of humour. In situations where I'm supposed to sound intelligent I have a terrible habit of using way too informal language. |
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Tormod
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| SabbraCadabra wrote: | | Tormod wrote: | | Why is it that so many people assume that just because you can't type well it mercenarily means you're stupid? My skills in the English language may leave much to be desired. English is not my first language. |
I tend to find that people who are not native speakers often have better English than natives. |
I don't understand. Am I supposed to be better at English because I am not English?  That sounds really backwards to me. |
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2ukenkerl
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Tormod wrote: | | SabbraCadabra wrote: | | Tormod wrote: | | Why is it that so many people assume that just because you can't type well it mercenarily means you're stupid? My skills in the English language may leave much to be desired. English is not my first language. |
I tend to find that people who are not native speakers often have better English than natives. |
I don't understand. Am I supposed to be better at English because I am not English? That sounds really backwards to me. |
SabbraCadabra,
I WISH that was true! It is probably true of a lot of western europe and, to a lesser degree, eastern europe, but certainly NOT of india, china, japan, etc...
Tormod,
I think he means because you learned to speak another language, and then may try to speak english according to rules, etc... MOST speakers of a language tend to repeat remembered phrases, and speak according to FEEL, and memorized fragments. That is GREAT and leads to speech that can be almost perfect UNLESS the past experience was WRONG! Unfortunately, a lot of people in the US, and probably elsewhere, hear a LOT of bad/wrong stuff. So they tend to make very DUMB mistakes. |
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craola
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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I don't like bad grammar, but I am not a grammar nazi.
I don't mind grammar being corrected to much but I do not like it when people pick on others because of small mistakes or simple mistakes or any type of mistakes really, not many people seem to take into consideration that some people struggle or have learning disabilities etc. There can be some really mean people.
But yes, I do get annoyed by bad grammar, particularly by double negatives and things like 'baby lambs' which doesn't make sense. |
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SabbraCadabra
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| 2ukenkerl wrote: | | It is probably true of a lot of western europe and, to a lesser degree, eastern europe, but certainly NOT of india, china, japan, etc... |
True. French-Canadians have really wonky English, too 
| 2ukenkerl wrote: | | I think he means because you learned to speak another language, and then may try to speak english according to rules, etc... |
Yes. |
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SabbraCadabra
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| craola wrote: | | ...double negatives and things like 'baby lambs' which doesn't make sense. |
I always take advantage of idiosyncrasies like that for the purpose of humor
One of my favorites has always been a quote from National Lampoon's Loaded Weapon 1: "Alone and by myself." ;D
Or things like WCW wrestling (World Championship Wrestling wrestling) or ATM machine (automatic tellar machine machine).
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Odin
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| slowmutant wrote: | Have you ever had someone whom you like & respect speak poor English? I have, and I do. It's a brain-squeezer to hear an successful, intelligent, supposedly well-educated person say things like, "Youse guys," "Go to the libary," and my favourite,
"You're not doing too shithawk, are ya?"
You just have to accept other people's quirks. Kind of like how we insist that they accept ours. |
I have I bad habit of saying "I got something" from my parents, it should be I have something.
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Odin
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| SabbraCadabra wrote: |
I tend to find that people who are not native speakers often have better English than natives. |
That's probably because people learning English learn the standard grammar while people who grow up speaking English pick up the grammar of the non-standard dialect of the place they live before they start learning the standard grammar in school.
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PixieBoo
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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 It depends on the situation
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ProfessorX
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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I can't tell you how many times several individuals torment me based on the proper and correct use of grammar as, seen through my posts,emails, etc.. I really try my utmost best when composing things to come across clearly in what the meaning of my writings are without causing confusion due to mis-spellings or other verbal wrongs. Simply put, I'm not great at writing things these days nor probably have unless your taking in some people from various web portals whom for reasons beyond my logic think I should be a poet or such. I conclusion of this post may it be known that as long as people try to make themselves understand and known is what really counts...
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