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slowmutant
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I couldn't have put it better myself. Nice metaphor.
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Ragtime
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| oscuria wrote: |
2) This is one of my problems with the government, since it is in charge of acknowledging marriage currently. If they were really honest about it, they'd punish those who broke the legal contract. |
It's interesting to me that, as solemnly as marriage vows are taken (ahem, said anyway) in the U.S.,
adultery isn't even on the books as being wrong!
Yet we can be heavily fined for littering, not wearing our seatbelts, or for drinking alcohol when we're 20 years old.
It's amazing how many tiny things are both on the books and quite punishable indeed,
while major things like leaving your wife and children for a bimbo are fully allowed (provided you cover them financially),
and hardly even frowned at.
So, married men, if you're tired of your old family, and want a new one, or just even some bimbo,
just save up, pay them off, and off you go!
What a horrible state of affairs! 
(No pun intended.)
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slowmutant
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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Adultery may not be a crimimanl offense, but it IS frowned upon by most people, ie. the moral majority.
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Ragtime
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Orwell wrote: | | skafather84 wrote: | | Orwell wrote: | | The US was founded on Christian principles. |
yeah because the majority of the deists were heavy into christianity. |
Do you have dismissive sarcastic comments for the rest of my points? |
You can be assured that he does.
If anything, skafather has dismissive sarcastic comments.
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Ragtime
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| slowmutant wrote: | | Adultery may not be a crimimanl offense, but it IS frowned upon by most people, ie. the moral majority. |
I know it is, but to little effect. Sad to say, adultery is nothing less than rampantly occurring,
both in and out of the church.
That has to be admitted if our country is going to make progress toward
promoting stronger individual moral conciences.
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skafather84
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Ragtime wrote: | | Orwell wrote: | | skafather84 wrote: | | Orwell wrote: | | The US was founded on Christian principles. |
yeah because the majority of the deists were heavy into christianity. |
Do you have dismissive sarcastic comments for the rest of my points? |
You can be assured that he does.
If anything, skafather has dismissive sarcastic comments. |
and you can always be counted on for pure stupidity and ignorance...so it works out! i have someone to use my sarcasm on and you have a place to spout off your hateful ignorance. |
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Ragtime
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| skafather84 wrote: | | Ragtime wrote: | | Orwell wrote: | | skafather84 wrote: | | Orwell wrote: | | The US was founded on Christian principles. |
yeah because the majority of the deists were heavy into christianity. |
Do you have dismissive sarcastic comments for the rest of my points? |
You can be assured that he does.
If anything, skafather has dismissive sarcastic comments. |
and you can always be counted on for pure stupidity and ignorance...so it works out! i have someone to use my sarcasm on and you have a place to spout off your hateful ignorance. |
Oh no, not more false equivalency!
Nice try though.
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Awesomelyglorious
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| Ragtime wrote: |
Your views are becoming ever more flexible, AG.
Why, just today, you abandoned the distinction between logic and insanity:
| Awesomelyglorious wrote: | | Ragtime wrote: |
Logic, insanity... it's all the same to you. |
Logic is merely the apologetics of madness. |
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My views? I have been neither a liberal nor a conservative for a few years now. Not only that, but I don't uphold the distinction between logic and insanity to any great extent. Yes, I can accept the existence of a certain processing technique that follows a set of rules, however, as I have stated before, and many times before, the human psyche is driven by deeper set emotions and ultimately objectivity is not something we can attain. Look, if you really look at my views in depth, you will find that I merely say some things to be absurd, I say other things to advance my epistemology, and the actual core beliefs are rather out of the ordinary as well. |
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srriv345
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| Ragtime wrote: |
A red herring -- from what? "Red herring" have to distract from something.
But the subject of this thread is singular -- namely, addressing the question
of whether or not marriage is changing.
I said that in the opening post, that such was the only question I was asking.
To determine whether or not your car is rolling slowly or standing still,
you look out the window. This thread is only about looking out the window. |
No, actually, that was the subject of the other thread. This thread's OP announces a single change in legal marriage in the state of California.
Developing "strong individual consciousness" is good (I guess, depending on what you mean), but makes for incredibly invasive public policy. It's one thing to say "adultery is wrong," and quite another to decide what ought to be done about it. I think adultery is wrong, but I don't want the government getting involved and I don't want to engage in simplistic black/white distinctions between individuals. Real life is more complicated. |
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Griff
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: California overturned gay-marriage ban today! |
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| Averick wrote: | It's only a matter of time before "californiacation" effects us all.
First it was Massachusetts, now them. In time, all fifty-two states
will allow gay marriage.
Sorry my fundalmentalist brethren. |
We now have fifty-seven states, Averick. Barrack Obama said so. See? I can josh the guy. Anyway, only fifty of them are actually considered states. In fact, I think that at least one of those is actually considered a "commonwealth," so it's arguably less if you're keen on silly sophistry.
Now we've got our book-ends. It won't take long for the rest of the nation to follow. Hopefully, from here, the US will finally begin taking leadership on these issues again. |
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slowmutant
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Real life has many shades of gray, but any rules we make ought to have no room for ambivalence. Murder, theft, adultery, etc. all these are prohibited acts. Not for a few, but for all. Not some of the time, but all of the time. Not just here, but everywhere.
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Orwell
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| slowmutant wrote: | | Real life has many shades of gray, but any rules we make ought to have no room for ambivalence. Murder, theft, adultery, etc. all these are prohibited acts. Not for a few, but for all. Not some of the time, but all of the time. Not just here, but everywhere. |
I concur. Ambiguous rules just beg for trouble, and some things can be considered absolute.
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oscuria
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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I concur. Ambiguous rules just beg for trouble, and some things can be considered absolute. |
I'm "sickened" by the Congressmen who say "Harsher Penalties! MORE MORE MORE!" for crimes, but when their own children/relatives are accused they are before the judge pleading "It was only a mistake. Please, just let him go!"
They always change their minds when it comes to relatives.
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Orwell
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| oscuria wrote: | | Orwell wrote: |
I concur. Ambiguous rules just beg for trouble, and some things can be considered absolute. |
I'm "sickened" by the Congressmen who say "Harsher Penalties! MORE MORE MORE!" for crimes, but when their own children/relatives are accused they are before the judge pleading "It was only a mistake. Please, just let him go!"
They always change their minds when it comes to relatives. |
Or themselves. My Governor a few years back broke a couple bribery laws that he had personally pushed through, and then argued that he had made a mistake because he didn't understand the law. He had forced other public officials to resign for similar offenses just prior to his crimes being discovered, but then retained his own office until the end of his term.
I hate Ohio.
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slowmutant
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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Those congressmen, whoever they, are bending the law to suit their own interests. Who'd have thunk it?
Obviously tihs is wrong.
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