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krex
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Some thoughts on emotional expression.....
I don't think this is a clear cut NT vs AS thing. If you have ever been around people from different cultures you can observe that humans express emotions in very different ways and what is excepted or expected changes with cultures. I come from a very emotionally "restrained" family in a country that seems to promote emotional restraint..."stay cool"=power. I observe some of the emotional displays of people who were raised in some other cultures as being really intense. I think this is also seen in different socio-economic groups of people. Each has their own idea of what is the appropriate level of emotional display and each finds the alternative display to be "odd/wrong/other"<----those are value judgements.
When I was growing up I was constantly criticised for not showing the "right" amount of positive emotions. I did not smile "enough" or show enough gratitude when someone did something for me or gave me something...I don't gush well. I still can't and when others do it, it feels "wrong" to me, fake, because it's not part of my communication style. When I am angry and having an emotional or sensory induced meltdown...it scares some people. I believe for many, that is a normal physiological reaction to "others anger". It kicks adrenaline into their bodies and creates a fight or flight sensation...something that is not often possible, (we can't run away during our jobs or punch a customer in the nose). Maybe a factor of NT's having a higher then "our normal" mirror neurons ? I know I have observed NT's responding much more intensely to emotional expression by others then I do. Perhaps that is their disability? For me to react to someones negative emotions they have to be expressing them very strongly...when someone is screaming at me, I do respond with fight or flight.
I do think it's odd that aspies are labeled as "unemotional robots" and then criticized for over-reacting. It is obvious that persons who claim this are simply lacking "aspie theory of mind" and unaware that my reactions are based on a different level of senses. I am reacting to stimuli that they are not even aware exist,(because they base sense on their own experience of them).
I do think that if I am willing to learn how to understand their responses they have an equal obligation to understand and except mine as "real" even if they don't feel the same senses. NT's are not my role models. I see many things about society that are highly dysfunctional and I never except anything based solely on how others tell me to act/feel/think...it's not in my nature. On the flip-side, I don't want to reject something just because NT's do it that way. I want to examine each objective and judge it based on it's value to me. That is how I view CBT/RET. What part of it work for me and what doesn't. When it is taken as a form of religion then it can be as destructive as any religion that is not examined with a critical/rational mind. I don't DO "faith", I do logic.
So that is my approach to emotional expression. It is meant, to me, to communicate to myself and others. Internally it helps guide me to realize that I need to think about something. Why am I feeling this and is it helpful to me to feel this way? Sometimes it is...to react dispels some of the unpleasant energy. Then I decide if I should react by throwing something or changing something in my environment,(usually there are more options then that  ). To have my emotions control me, seems very counter-productive to my own well-being. Sometimes reacting gives my power and energy to the person who is intentionally trying to provoke such a reaction...that isn't in my best interest. I don't like being manipulated and I am the only one who can stop them from achieving that goal...by not responding, (drives them nuts  ). So learning how to monitor and express my emotions as I chose, is not to appease NT's it is for my advantage and psychological well being.
For me CBT isn't about controling your emotions or thoughts so that they are socially exceptable but understanding them so that I am not controlled by them. That can sometimes be achieved by changing the way I focus my thoughts not changing them to reflect something I know to be false. I think some of peoples bad experiences with CBT is from having very stuipid therapist who treat it as a religion or a form of self-hypnosis. People who have experienced some relief from self defeating behavior or thinking focus are lucky to have had an intelligent therapist<---statisticaly rare, I think.
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chesapeaker
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| krex wrote: | Some thoughts on emotional expression.....
I don't think this is a clear cut NT vs AS thing. If you have ever been around people from different cultures you can observe that humans express emotions in very different ways and what is excepted or expected changes with cultures. I come from a very emotionally "restrained" family in a country that seems to promote emotional restraint..."stay cool"=power. I observe some of the emotional displays of people who were raised in some other cultures as being really intense. I think this is also seen in different socio-economic groups of people. Each has their own idea of what is the appropriate level of emotional display and each finds the alternative display to be "odd/wrong/other"<----those are value judgements.
When I was growing up I was constantly criticised for not showing the "right" amount of positive emotions. I did not smile "enough" or show enough gratitude when someone did something for me or gave me something...I don't gush well. I still can't and when others do it, it feels "wrong" to me, fake, because it's not part of my communication style. When I am angry and having an emotional or sensory induced meltdown...it scares some people. I believe for many, that is a normal physiological reaction to "others anger". It kicks adrenaline into their bodies and creates a fight or flight sensation...something that is not often possible, (we can't run away during our jobs or punch a customer in the nose). Maybe a factor of NT's having a higher then "our normal" mirror neurons ? I know I have observed NT's responding much more intensely to emotional expression by others then I do. Perhaps that is their disability? For me to react to someones negative emotions they have to be expressing them very strongly...when someone is screaming at me, I do respond with fight or flight.
I do think it's odd that aspies are labeled as "unemotional robots" and then criticized for over-reacting. It is obvious that persons who claim this are simply lacking "aspie theory of mind" and unaware that my reactions are based on a different level of senses. I am reacting to stimuli that they are not even aware exist,(because they base sense on their own experience of them).
I do think that if I am willing to learn how to understand their responses they have an equal obligation to understand and except mine as "real" even if they don't feel the same senses. NT's are not my role models. I see many things about society that are highly dysfunctional and I never except anything based solely on how others tell me to act/feel/think...it's not in my nature. On the flip-side, I don't want to reject something just because NT's do it that way. I want to examine each objective and judge it based on it's value to me. That is how I view CBT/RET. What part of it work for me and what doesn't. When it is taken as a form of religion then it can be as destructive as any religion that is not examined with a critical/rational mind. I don't DO "faith", I do logic.
So that is my approach to emotional expression. It is meant, to me, to communicate to myself and others. Internally it helps guide me to realize that I need to think about something. Why am I feeling this and is it helpful to me to feel this way? Sometimes it is...to react dispels some of the unpleasant energy. Then I decide if I should react by throwing something or changing something in my environment,(usually there are more options then that :wink: ). To have my emotions control me, seems very counter-productive to my own well-being. Sometimes reacting gives my power and energy to the person who is intentionally trying to provoke such a reaction...that isn't in my best interest. I don't like being manipulated and I am the only one who can stop them from achieving that goal...by not responding, (drives them nuts :lol: ). So learning how to monitor and express my emotions as I chose, is not to appease NT's it is for my advantage and psychological well being.
For me CBT isn't about controling your emotions or thoughts so that they are socially exceptable but understanding them so that I am not controlled by them. That can sometimes be achieved by changing the way I focus my thoughts not changing them to reflect something I know to be false. I think some of peoples bad experiences with CBT is from having very stuipid therapist who treat it as a religion or a form of self-hypnosis. People who have experienced some relief from self defeating behavior or thinking focus are lucky to have had an intelligent therapist<---statisticaly rare, I think. |
You definitely GET what CBT is all about. |
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krex I agree with chesapeaker "You definitely GET what CBT is all about" and very well explained.
I have no problem with any sort of treatment if really needed, but it does seem that when ever a child is diagnosed like my son your told they need all sorts of treatments as a matter of course, I know my son does not need, he is very happy and proud to be who is.
But for some reason the professionals do not quite get that some of us really are ok and I know so many adult have been damaged by being alienated from society, which wares them down and then wants them to pay to become more of a carbon cut out of a typical nt.
I see parents saying to there children "why cannot you be like the other children", "your a real pain", "your so fussy" and how cruel other nt children can be, often these children's difference can make them seem awkward to other children, the coordination difference can cause so many problems sport wise, I can remember many times all the other children laughing at me because I had no balance etc.. who needs to be trained!
The real problem with any sort of training it is often carried out by NTs who do not fully understand the issue themselves... finding the right professional is like finding a needle in a hay stack, would you want to take that risk with your child!
I feel the treatment should only be suggested if your child is having problems, otherwise it would be all to easy to give your child treatment really is not needed, and sometimes I really do wonder who the treatment is for, as the asperger child is often very intelligent.
And in my opinion one of the only experts worth hearing on the subject who as far as I know is not on the autism spectrum is in fact Tony Attwood, but we cannot all see him:
Seminars by autism expert - Friday 23 May, 2008 12:01am
ELOURA Blue Mountains Disability Services will host autism and Asperger's specialist Prof Tony Attwood on 18 & 19 June at the St Marys Band Club. Prof Attwood will cover topics such as the origins of special interests in Asperger's syndrome and constructive strategies to use or reduce the dominance of special interests, challenging behaviours, strategies to reduce bullying and increase social inclusion for people with Asperger's syndrome and autism, and issues for adolescents with Asperger's. Prof Attwood's seminars will be held from 9.30am to 4.30pm each day. Tickets: $85 a day including catering. Registration and details: www.eloura.com.au or 4751 5266.
I am not against people learning from good resources and good information, unfortunatelly far to many bad and fad treatments about...
I would also like to add I do not think its a aspie/nt thing as there are some wonderful nt parents who truly embrace there children, I have a wonderful nt son... but unfortunately there are far to many people on and off the autism spectrum who still seem to think autism is an illness, to me its just a difference if not hugely misunderstood.
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Danielismyname
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| Zonder wrote: | | As soon as HAD gets a website going, I'm sending it to a few people I know! |
Here's an excerpt from the paper I'm going to submit to those working on the DSM-V:
| Quote: | A proposal for a human affective disorder -- its neglect by science, its course, and its treatment
by Daniel, A.S.D, O.C.D
Preface:
I will preface this paper first by stating my disapproval at my scientific peers, and their utter negligence in overlooking the most severe developmental disability that has plagued [Wom]mankind since its dawn.
Introduction:
The parents of humanity, Prometheus and Pandora created this disorder as they decided to play parents--which of note, was entirely irrational as neither were of a sound mind state to create and nurture life to responsible adults (a trickster of mythical proportions who also happened to be a thief, and the individual that created evil and held hope from humanity for life). Due to their innate flaws induced by their severe developmental disabilities--Human Affective Disorder (HAD), they created life that was as equally disturbed as they were. It has been proven that HAD is a genetic disorder that is passed on to one's offspring in all cases--there is no known cure [but death]. Prometheus and Pandora both displayed the impairments of HAD--a marked lack of respect for others and their genuine wellbeing, an extreme level of egocentricity, a severe impairment in rational thinking, antisocial behaviours (up to, and including murder of others), extreme selfishness, a lack of honesty; an extreme amount of dishonesty, a lack of rational thought at all times, emotional disturbances that manifest as a severe and marked level of self-centeredness; these are but a few of the major symptoms of HAD, and the parents of humanity both fit Daniel's Criteria for HAD.* These symptoms promote massive amounts of distress on those emotionally attached to the individual with HAD--insofar that those attached display the same symptoms at a level of severity as the individual affected. Of important note, and I will expand upon this under the section titled Treatment, when the individual with HAD is removed from those who care for him or her (HAD affects women and men in equal numbers), we've noted a marked decrease in the severity of symptomology, by the individual with HAD, and those who show affective HAD. Solitary confinement; social and emotional withdrawal is the current form of treatment, and it is very effective in managing the disease.
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| Danielismyname wrote: | | Zonder wrote: | | As soon as HAD gets a website going, I'm sending it to a few people I know! |
Here's an excerpt from the paper I'm going to submit to those working on the DSM-V:
| Quote: | A proposal for a human affective disorder -- its neglect by science, its course, and its treatment
by Daniel, A.S.D, O.C.D
Preface:
I will preface this paper first by stating my disapproval at my scientific peers, and their utter negligence in overlooking the most severe developmental disability that has plagued [Wom]mankind since its dawn.
Introduction:
The parents of humanity, Prometheus and Pandora created this disorder as they decided to play parents--which of note, was entirely irrational as neither were of a sound mind state to create and nurture life to responsible adults (a trickster of mythical proportions who also happened to be a thief, and the individual that created evil and held hope from humanity for life). Due to their innate flaws induced by their severe developmental disabilities--Human Affective Disorder (HAD), they created life that was as equally disturbed as they were. It has been proven that HAD is a genetic disorder that is passed on to one's offspring in all cases--there is no known cure [but death]. Prometheus and Pandora both displayed the impairments of HAD--a marked lack of respect for others and their genuine wellbeing, an extreme level of egocentricity, a severe impairment in rational thinking, antisocial behaviours (up to, and including murder of others), extreme selfishness, a lack of honesty; an extreme amount of dishonesty, a lack of rational thought at all times, emotional disturbances that manifest as a severe and marked level of self-centeredness; these are but a few of the major symptoms of HAD, and the parents of humanity both fit Daniel's Criteria for HAD.* These symptoms promote massive amounts of distress on those emotionally attached to the individual with HAD--insofar that those attached display the same symptoms at a level of severity as the individual affected. Of important note, and I will expand upon this under the section titled Treatment, when the individual with HAD is removed from those who care for him or her (HAD affects women and men in equal numbers), we've noted a marked decrease in the severity of symptomology, by the individual with HAD, and those who show affective HAD. Solitary confinement; social and emotional withdrawal is the current form of treatment, and it is very effective in managing the disease.
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Dang, Daniel, that's beautiful! You're really good at satyre! An alternate DSM-V would be hilarious!
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Krex, that was a really well-balanced & helpful contribution, thanks!
To clarify - for me, it is certainly not about "wanting to stay in victim mode."
Rather, I can best describe my problem as an inner war between a desire not to unintentionally hurt others by my behaviour versus a refusal to "sell out" who I am and become fake.
i.e. I want to continue behaving the way I naturally behave, but I do not want others to feel hurt as a result of my doing so.
This is why I need to understand why I am making the NT's uncomfortable, so I can better judge whether it is me or them who are being unreasonable.
The "Social Story" quote that I cited was the only thing about the CBT I actually had an issue with - to me it just looked like a kind of brainwashing!!!!!!
i.e. we were being "programmed" to accept a totally alien concept (to an Aspie), however "obvious" it may appear to an NT.
I hope that has clarified what I was trying to say.
Oh, & Sinsboldy asked "what do I do when I react?"
I was referring here to minor but frequent irritations such as the printer not working (again!), the lift stopping at every single floor when I am in a hurry, the train being canceled etc.
I would react by sighing loudly & expressively, complaining to anyone who happened to be nearby whether I knew them or not, saying "GRRRRRRR!!! For God's sake, this is ridiculous!!!!" to no-one in particular, and if I was really angry, maybe stamping my foot with frustration.
Who is that hurting? Nobody!
Is it frowned upon by NT's? Most definitely! |
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| Zonder wrote: |
Like you I tried to dissociate my rational will from my instinct and I found that it didn't work for me long term. I could only keep that up for so long and then the anxiety and depression worsened. You don't have to agree with or try the things that Dr. Attwood suggests, but that doesn't mean that they don't work for others. I, for one, agree with him. Thanks, Smelena for posting your notes!
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My main issue is this:
All emotion, fundamentally, is the same.
You can't shut out the bad and replace with the good... because the two are interchangeable and if you give them half a chance they will rubberband back with a vengeance.
To be "happy" all the time is just as bad, if not under some circumstances worse, than being anxious and stressed all the time. It interferes with one's ability to work and function correctly. The practicality issues a person has are generally correlated directly to their emotionality. |
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Now that would completely suck, if I had parents etc trying to use behavioural therapy to replace my bad behaviour, and emotions, with 'good' ones. How on earth would that work? I don't understand how it would - if you feel something you feel it. All that would be doing is suppressing the emotion, which I think would be worse, or even dangerous in the long term.
Is this the case for those that have done CBT? Do they actually want you to replace your negative emotions with positive emotions? If so, then f!@k that. That scares me. That is what I'd consider brainwashing.
Those behavioural tools that smelena listed - I see them as alternative ways of directing emotions. Like, maybe my emotions are a raging overflowing volcano, and instead of exploding in a fit of lava over over a sleepy little village (me screaming/throwing things at parents), I change my direction and let the emotions flow into a crack in the ocean floor (me taking an axe and hacking up a fallen tree).
I'd consider getting a book on behavioural therapy, but not face to face with some narrow-minded therapist that thinks I need curing/adjusting/tweaking. Sure baby, show me your piece of paper, wave your magic wand, I want to be a freaking sheep, just like all the others. Baaaaaaaaaa.
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| not saying that ALL therapists are narrow-minded, mind..... |
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chesapeaker
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| little-bird wrote: | Now that would completely suck, if I had parents etc trying to use behavioural therapy to replace my bad behaviour, and emotions, with 'good' ones. How on earth would that work? I don't understand how it would - if you feel something you feel it. All that would be doing is suppressing the emotion, which I think would be worse, or even dangerous in the long term.
Is this the case for those that have done CBT? Do they actually want you to replace your negative emotions with positive emotions? If so, then f!@k that. That scares me. That is what I'd consider brainwashing.
Those behavioural tools that smelena listed - I see them as alternative ways of directing emotions. Like, maybe my emotions are a raging overflowing volcano, and instead of exploding in a fit of lava over over a sleepy little village (me screaming/throwing things at parents), I change my direction and let the emotions flow into a crack in the ocean floor (me taking an axe and hacking up a fallen tree).
I'd consider getting a book on behavioural therapy, but not face to face with some narrow-minded therapist that thinks I need curing/adjusting/tweaking. Sure baby, show me your piece of paper, wave your magic wand, I want to be a freaking sheep, just like all the others. Baaaaaaaaaa.
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You are stating it incorrectly. Your emotions are your emotions. CBT teaches you how to analyze the irrational thinking you have about your emotions and teaches you how to break it down to what is really happening. One example is grandiose or exaggerated thinking (i.e making a mountain out ouf a mole hill thinkng) If you think that something is impossible for you to do. Like getting a job you really want or a girlfriend, or anything. The word impossible is replaced with what is really happening, for example. It may be really hard to do, and maybe you may have to learn some new things, or you fear you might be rejected or embarrassed, or experience uncomfortable feelings, but it is possible to do, but may be difficult. CBT helps you break things down to where it can realistically be handled in a rational way. You really need to get Aaron Beck book and read it and do the work. Otherwise you shouldn't pass judgment on CBT because you are not informed about what it actually does. |
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little-bird
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hey chesapeaker. i wasn't passing judgement, i was just querying what was said in previous posts because, like you said, i have no personal experience of CBT. like what soticoto's last post was saying - which seemed to me to be saying that they try to replace one emotion with another - which doesn't make sense to me. (Like you say - your emotions are your emotions.) so i think, okay...if that were the case, then yeah, it wouldn't be right, but...
i thought i was being sarcastic (but maybe that didn't come across).
would you say it is like unlearning those parts of our behaviour that were instilled in us as children, which now prevent us from living the lives we want? then learning new ways?
at the moment i'm finding buddhist studies helpful because it's very much more like a psychology or science - it teaches to become more aware of your mind, and the illusions of thought, etc |
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krex
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| little-bird wrote: |
would you say it is like unlearning those parts of our behaviour that were instilled in us as children, which now prevent us from living the lives we want? then learning new ways?
at the moment i'm finding buddhist studies helpful because it's very much more like a psychology or science - it teaches to become more aware of your mind, and the illusions of thought, etc |
I think Buddhism is a very healthy form of CBT  ...two thumbs up. I think there are many paths to enlightenment Grasshopper (and I am not being sarcastic, in-case anyone misconstrues) I recommend reading the Tao of Poo
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| Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 2:01 am Post subject: Re: Emotion Management - Info from Attwood conference |
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| Smelena wrote: | ...
Emotion Management
People with Asperger's Syndrome commonly experience high levels of anxiety and stress.
Two out of three people with Asperger's Syndrome have a problem with anger management. Sadness and anxiety are often expressed as anger. |
WOW, that doesn't seem to be represented here
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CBT is about using thinking strategies and behavioural strategies to manage anxiety/anger. For example: a thinking strategy is changing a poisonous thought ("I'm dumb") by using an antidote ("I think differently to others"). |
BOY, that wouldn't make ME feel better. I look at the problems the other person has. I basically get rid of the idea that I am so dumb! For example, I might be told I can't do a certain math problem right, but I CAN in another way, and do things THEY can't. The idea of merely accepting myself never sounded like a good solution. It is like most of the people here, myself included, realize we're stupid about social issues. SO WHAT!?!? We are better at other things. SURE I would love to be more social, etc... but I wouldn't feel as good simply saying "I'm different".
| Smelena wrote: | Tony Attwood stated that 75% of teenagers with Asperger's will suffer depression or an anxiety disorder.  |
Now why does that surprise you? It is pretty much a combination of AS and just being human. I would be surprised if it was much lower. Look at starbuline.  She tried to kill herself on at least 3 occasions, and eventually succeeded. I feel like I knew her well, etc... Everytime I see her avatar or pseudonym, I almost feel like crying.(I really never cry at all)
Your sons sound like they have a NICE mother that CARES, so maybe THEY will defeat that. With me, it is almost like I am against the world. I couldn't see myself giving in and becoming a joke by ending up as an invalid of some sort, so I have given up on the idea of trying to kill myself. If not for that idea and fear, I would have died about 3 years ago, if not earlier. |
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Everyone is different. The root of all problems is those who think they have some right to be annoying.
I am an intelligent human with no interest in sports, popular culture, or socializing with people who do.
I read non fiction, things mechanical and computer are changing the world, and that is my interest.
My view of life is not shared by most, That is OK with me, but they are sure I should change.
That is the root problem. Not only do they live by instinct, they label me as not being them, hence wrong, and and feel they all have a right to their animal superiorty.
They demand that I socialize with them, so they will have someone to lie too and about, an perhaps a chance to steal something.
They have nothing to say that is is of any interest to me. I avoid them. A lot less gets stolen.
As a gang they demand to force themselves on me. I go out of my way to avoid them, they do the same to cure me of my withdrawn ways.
I can only see it as animal instinct, it has caused all the animals around to feel they have a right to annoy me any way they can. Trying to explain how I see things, they just turn ugly, shouting, phyical threats, in what was an attempted intellectual discussion.
They are not attacking me, they are defending themselves. I have an IQ of 140, and get called a retard by people with IQ's of 100.
They feel they are right, thiers is the only way, and anyone who does not fit in their world view must change.
First they reject you, then attack, slander, warning others about you, then it is pxychobabble, you should go see a head doctor because they just do not like you.
Those who belive them buy the Guru Attwood new cars, and spend a decade supporting the pharmacy. Then they find some Pop Psych, like emotional thermomators, and stop taking pills. It works!
Or, it was all a lie from day one.
Read Nominlist to see how the great doctors treated the same thing in the 60's, stright jackets, ice water baths, Thorazine, electro convulsive shock.
The same group who sent their children there are now looking for a new method to punish them for being wrong.
We are all different. If you feel that my version is your business, I feel your nose is too long, and I will shorten it for you.
The only cure for NT is tough love, and a bloody nose.
"Treat them like people,
they act like dogs,
treat then like dogs,
they act like well behaved dogs"
Any suggestion that brainwashing and teaching children to live a lie of false feelings and emotions is a direct attack on children. It is the worst possible form of abuse.
It was a long and uncomfortable journey to get away from those who thought I was wrong and should be changed. They set my adult life back decades. Hearing of their deaths cheers me up, not soon enough, but something. I just hope they suffered alot.
Religion consols me, perhaps they will burn in hell for all eturnity.
They did change me, once I had a natural love for them.
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| shopaholic wrote: | Oh, & Sinsboldy asked "what do I do when I react?"
I was referring here to minor but frequent irritations such as the printer not working (again!), the lift stopping at every single floor when I am in a hurry, the train being canceled etc.
I would react by sighing loudly & expressively, complaining to anyone who happened to be nearby whether I knew them or not, saying "GRRRRRRR!!! For God's sake, this is ridiculous!!!!" to no-one in particular, and if I was really angry, maybe stamping my foot with frustration.
Who is that hurting? Nobody!
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darlin'. . it's hurting YOU! You have a responsibility to yourself not to damage your psyche and body with repeated physical stress of being angry when thwarted or frustrated. Blood pressure and adrenaline and endorphins charging through your body on a regular basis wears out the health and organs.
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