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oscuria
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| MissConstrue wrote: | ^That last statement there is sick.
No one asks to get raped and even if they do, you have self control. |
I believe Griff meant raped as in divorce settlements.
| Quote: | | I'd like to know why men regularly get raped in divorce settlements. |
Rape = broke.
Now if mean actually did get raped after a divorce settlement (repeatedly), I would be curious to know why and how.
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MissConstrue
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| oscuria wrote: | | Griff wrote: | | I'd like to know why men regularly get raped in divorce settlements. The system's skewed. Unfortunately, it seems sexism is perfectly acceptable as long as the men get shafted. |
The woman is ALWAYS the victim. Even if she had countless of affairs, stole from the husband repeatedly, and occasionally threw a plate or two at his head, she probably had a good reason to. |
Sorry my bad.
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Griff
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| MissConstrue wrote: | | No one asks to get raped and even if they do, you have self control. |
More attention should be paid to sexual assault against men, though. It isn't well recognized because it's mostly psychological, but some men find it incredibly embarrassing to lose their capacity for coherent speech due to some ho's exploitation of their vulnerability. Sadly, we're living in a society that actively takes hilarity in this. WTF?
The burka is ridiculous, though, and it's counter-productive. Social liberalization and egalitarian compassion is the only strategy that has consistently proven itself effective in reducing sexual mischeif and violent crime. Oppressive taboo is like gasoline on the fire. |
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Khan_Sama
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Griff wrote: | | The burka is ridiculous, though, and it's counter-productive. Social liberalization and egalitarian compassion is the only strategy that has consistently proven itself effective in reducing sexual mischeif and violent crime. Oppressive taboo is like gasoline on the fire. |
The hijab can only prevent sexual abuse or harassment to a certain extent, its main purpose is for men to treat a woman for who she is - a human being.
Now for those who argue about whether the hijab can prevent rape or molestation, you must note that there are different kinds of perverts, who are mainly divided into two broad categories - those who commit the crime on the spur of the moment, and those who plan ahead. The hijab prevents the former from commiting the crime in most cases, but if they're hell bent on committing the crime, it can't be helped. You say that social liberalization and egalitarian compassion is the only strategy to combat violence against women. If so, why is rape more common than pickpocketing in the US, even though only approximately 1 in 10 cases of rape are reported to the police? Here in India, a woman is raped every hour (or so the statistics pointed out half a decade ago, it may have doubled or tripled by now). The rate of sexual violence is far lesser in Muslim countries. Prevention is better than a cure. |
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twoshots
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | If so, why is rape more common than pickpocketing in the US, even though only approximately 1 in 10 cases of rape are reported to the police? |
Where did you get that statistic?
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SleepyDragon
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Griff wrote: | | ... some men find it incredibly embarrassing to lose their capacity for coherent speech due to some ho's exploitation of their vulnerability. |
Sexist harassment is ugly (or as the Buddhists might say, "unskilful") no matter which gender is perpetrating it. It's drawing a long bow to call ^this^ "rape", though, for mine.
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oscuria
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Most of the arguments coming from Muslims aren't very convincing to me. I've heard that Hijab prevents rape, and that it is mandated. Neither of them is true. To me such arguments (Hijab-less woman is more prone to being raped) is perverse and absurd. Neither the argument that a woman without Hijab is less modest.
About rape: the truth is that there IS NO rape statistic in muslims countries (if any credible). The ones that I've read are done independently. Not to mention it is not a concise science as many women won't speak of their rape.
I did read somewhere that in the Scandinavian countries, a Muslim is more prone to rape than a non-muslim. Strange, isn't it? I guess it is all those hijab-less women.
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Sand
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| The justification for the forced wearing of a burka on the basis that it prevents rape is on the same level of forcing everybody to wear a bullet proof vest to keep from being shot. Any society that tolerates individuals who either rape or shoot at whatever minor inclination drives their immature minds is a highly defective society and the fault is with the society, not the individual who is forced to cower in a tent to prevent assault. You are blaming the victim. |
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D1nk0
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| oscuria wrote: | | Griff wrote: | | I'd like to know why men regularly get raped in divorce settlements. The system's skewed. Unfortunately, it seems sexism is perfectly acceptable as long as the men get shafted. |
The woman is ALWAYS the victim. Even if she had countless of affairs, stole from the husband repeatedly, and occasionally threw a plate or two at his head, she probably had a good reason to. |
I Seriously hope that you are joking oscuria. If you arent than you are SERIOUSLY mixed up. Maybe you're just subservient man who thinks putting women on a pedestal and exalting them as the "fair" sex will enable you to get thing from them......... 
BTW: the MOST effective way for women to prevent rape is through deterrence. There's no doubt in my mind that rapists STRONGLY prefer their victims unarmed.Hint hint........... 
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oscuria
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| D1nk0 wrote: | | oscuria wrote: | | Griff wrote: | | I'd like to know why men regularly get raped in divorce settlements. The system's skewed. Unfortunately, it seems sexism is perfectly acceptable as long as the men get shafted. |
The woman is ALWAYS the victim. Even if she had countless of affairs, stole from the husband repeatedly, and occasionally threw a plate or two at his head, she probably had a good reason to. |
I Seriously hope that you are joking oscuria. If you arent than you are SERIOUSLY mixed up. Maybe you're just subservient man who thinks putting women on a pedestal and exalting them as the "fair" sex will enable you to get thing from them......... |
Doo wop shoo bop?
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D1nk0
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| oscuria wrote: | | D1nk0 wrote: | | oscuria wrote: | | Griff wrote: | | I'd like to know why men regularly get raped in divorce settlements. The system's skewed. Unfortunately, it seems sexism is perfectly acceptable as long as the men get shafted. |
The woman is ALWAYS the victim. Even if she had countless of affairs, stole from the husband repeatedly, and occasionally threw a plate or two at his head, she probably had a good reason to. |
I Seriously hope that you are joking oscuria. If you arent than you are SERIOUSLY mixed up. Maybe you're just subservient man who thinks putting women on a pedestal and exalting them as the "fair" sex will enable you to get thing from them......... |
Doo wop shoo bop? |
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MissConstrue
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What are you talking about?
Women get raped no matter what they wear. The same can go for a man even though I don't hear very many stories about them.
Rapes usually happen randomly. Most people don't even talk about them for fear of danger or embarassment. That's a very sick way of putting that as though women in general deserve what they get. No one deserves to be raped and humans have free will for self control in that regard, if they don't they're most likely a danger to society whether there's laws against them or not which is why most of them are locked up. It's been statistically proven that there's no cure for people who do such acts on those who are vulernable espeacially pedos.
Rape is very different than casual sex. There's a huge difference dinko.
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SleepyDragon
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:30 am Post subject: Re: Too sexy for my Burka |
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Hmm, that is interesting. Baba Ali considers it oppression to have to wear a shirt and tie, and go to work "in a crowded office with broken A/C and a bunch of sweaty people." No argument there! Having to ride on public transport, same problem. There should be a law or something.
"Only [Allah] knows why you wear hijab.... He's the only one who knows what your real intention is." So why, then, does Baba Ali go on to enumerate a long list of so-called "hijab attempts", ways in which he thinks the hijab is worn improperly? Surely this is up to Allah to determine?
Or then again, this could be yet another instance of an arrogant bloke trying to determine, on women's behalf, what is or isn't appropriate for them to wear. And justifying his own undiscipline and bad behaviour by claiming to be an unwilling victim of temptation. |
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D1nk0
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| MissConstrue wrote: | What are you talking about?
Women get raped no matter what they wear. The same can go for a man even though I don't hear very many stories about them.
Rapes usually happen randomly. Most people don't even talk about them for fear of danger or embarassment. That's a very sick way of putting that as though women in general deserve what they get. No one deserves to be raped and humans have free will for self control in that regard, if they don't they're most likely a danger to society whether there's laws against them or not which is why most of them are locked up. It's been statistically proven that there's no cure for people who do such acts on those who are vulernable espeacially pedos.
Rape is very different than casual sex. There's a huge difference dinko. |
Well Of Course! WTF made you think I was implying that what women wear has ANYTHING to do with the risk of being Raped??? It was NOT I who injected the subject of rape into this thread! I was defending the muslim dress code and others brought up the Rape issue. |
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Khan_Sama
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:08 am Post subject: Re: Too sexy for my Burka |
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| SleepyDragon wrote: |
Hmm, that is interesting. Baba Ali considers it oppression to have to wear a shirt and tie, and go to work "in a crowded office with broken A/C and a bunch of sweaty people." No argument there! Having to ride on public transport, same problem. There should be a law or something.
"Only [Allah] knows why you wear hijab.... He's the only one who knows what your real intention is." So why, then, does Baba Ali go on to enumerate a long list of so-called "hijab attempts", ways in which he thinks the hijab is worn improperly? Surely this is up to Allah to determine?
Or then again, this could be yet another instance of an arrogant bloke trying to determine, on women's behalf, what is or isn't appropriate for them to wear. And justifying his own
undiscipline and bad behaviour by claiming to be an unwilling victim of temptation. |
The goal of the hijab is to "not look sexy". Make-up, revealing hair (like Benazir Bhutto), etc, is not the correct hijab. The women who generally wear this kind of hijab only do so to please their parents. For example, there's a girl in my class who wears her hijab outside college, but removes it when she enters. Sure, it's upto Allah to determine, but it's a common understanding with learned Muslims that there must be no immediate sexual thoughts upon looking at a hijabi. Problem is, most conservative Muslims force their daughters to wear the hijab, with this being the result. Forcing someone to do something goes against the Quran, they don't realise what they're doing is a big sin as well.
Baba Ali is not trying to impose his beliefs or principle. He was a neopagan, lol, and used to have a gf with purple hair. He's just reminding his brothers and sisters about following what he has learned to be the correct way (reminding himself before that). For the hijab video, he did so in order to remind himself on teaching his daughter about it as she grows up. There's a personal reason behind his videos in season 1 &2. |
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