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| no, it serves a reason and it "protects" the public |
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| yes, its inhumane and cruel and just creates problems |
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| I dont care, why would I? |
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| I going to have to plead the fifth ammendment here, on basis that I might incriminate me. |
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Speckles
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 Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:09 am Post subject: |
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| Jacob_Landshire wrote: | | Speckles wrote: | | Without checks and balances, there's nothing to stop a government from just hanging anyone they don't like. |
Hanging serious offenders doesn't mean they won't get due process and a fair trial.
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Yeah, but you would still have to pay for the police work, the judge, two lawyers, the jury, and still have to wait a few years to ensure that no further evidence would come to light. So there wouldn't actually be any savings. If you add in the bad PR, it would probably cost more. You might also run into martyr issues: the more gruesomely you kill someone, the more likely people will rewrite the facts to make him look like a hero.
| Quote: | | Speckles wrote: | | Combine that with the feeling that they are relatively safe, and you've got the best method for preventing rebellion and terrorism developed so far. |
Preventing rebellion and terrorism? I thought we were talking about common crime and punishment. 99.99% of the criminal justice system deals with non-political cases. They have special procedures and prisons for the other .01% LOL. |
 It's not about the criminal system directly punishing terrorists or organized crime. It's about making people feel safe and motivated enough to squeal on anyone who obviously starts engaging in those activities. By tieing one hand behind the criminal justice system's back, you ensure that it's really difficult for them to collaborate with groups like that, whether out of idealology or greed for bribes. Yeah you get a few, but at least you can be sure that the majority are not; the risk of exposure during a trial is simply too great.
The areas where you get really major crime groups are where people don't trust that the system will be fair with them or protect them. Ghettos, where many become convinced that the system doesn't give a s*** about them; war-torn areas, where people don't believe that the system can protect them from retaliation; and crooked coporate offices, where potential whistle-blowers believe that the CEO has the system in his pocket.
Make people confident in the trustworthiness of the system, and you can kill groups like that before they can even get started. If people fear that they might be treated unfairly because there's a chance the officials are corrupt and will protect the criminals for bribes, or even might be the criminals themselves, groups like that flourish. When you look at countries that have less constrained and more efficient ways of handling criminals, you get way more corruption, organized crime, and terrorism. Just look at the mess in Myanmar - people think Katrina was bad, but at least the officials weren't actively preventing aid workers from entering the city or trying to steal the foriegn aid. |
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Anubis
My name is "Trouble".
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The "justice" system in western countries, first and foremost, maintains law and order. Justice is subjective, and the "justice" system is not universally "just". However, laws change, and so can be altered to fit closer or move farther away from what one and society views as "justice". The court systems and law enforcement can be abused by groups and individuals who wish to maintain their own control, and suppress that which is threatening to their interests, but the court system, in its most basic form, is neither "good" nor "evil". No system is, until it is operated and applied in a certain manner. What one views as "good" and "evil" is subjective. Such systems are objective.
To one man, communism is good; to another, it is downright evil. One man's "terrorist" is another man's freedom fighter.
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