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Quatermass
Yahtzee's Protege
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 Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Strapples wrote: |
Quatermass. I do not hold respect for your comments that have been made in this thread. If you are a mod you should be setting a role model. |
So, in other words, I have to act in a way that I am not, be an absolute paragon of virtue, etc?
You are in no position to judge me, especially considering I didn't volunteer to be a mod, but was conscripted. And I've had it up to here with you. Acting like you own the damn forum. You don't.
I do not want your respect, as I don't think I have ever got any from you anyway.
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Zonder
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| Ragtime wrote: | "Christlike" is one of the most misused and misunderstood terms there is. It's often thought of along the lines in a certain hymn which read "Gentle Jesus, meek and mild", which is a semi-biblical portrait at best. Jesus was loving, but that doesn't mean He was weak. He was humble, but He was anything but mild. Especially in his scathing accusations against everyone from the highest and mosted respected leaders in the land, to His own disciples, many times rebuking them for saying and doing seemingly normal things. Surely His disciples thought more than once, "Chill out, Jesus."
But there are actually two Christlikes in the Bible. Open the book of Revelation to see the Christ who returns to make war and to judge. Notice how the writer, John, makes specific mention of the contrast between Jesus' two attitude manifestations, explaininmg the Jesus came to Earth humble as a lamb, but on His return he will be as a lion and a mighty ruling King -- meekness and humility were the role He has to play as Messiah during His first coming, because He had to be killed for our transgressions; He had to "fail" (by most human standards) -- that was His mission, and remaining alive would have failed that mission. But when He returns, He will be a fearsome sight. "Hair white as wool", with a voice sounding like "many waters", and a two-edged sword shooting out from his mouth, with "King of Kings, and Lord of Lords" inscribed on His thigh.
Jesus is God, and He is not meek or mild. We are to turn the other cheek, yes, but in every instance? That would be a definite mistake. Sometimes a show of fierce power is necessary to communicate with this corrupt world, such as in dealing with Iran's nuclear weapons aspirations.
So, Christians, don't let anyone tell you that you're just supposed to shut up and take abuses because you're a Christian. Christianity is largely about speaking out the truth -- no matter who tries to silence you. |
Are Christians called to be like the lamb Christ or the lion Christ? And who did Christ rebuke? Often it was religious hypocrites. He was called a friend of sinners, not of those who set themselves up as being the most righteous.
I actually agree that there is a lot of uncalled-for anti-Christian slinging going on in WP threads. Conversely, I've had a faithful Christian from England, on WP, use downright nasty epithets for my deceased, one-time Baptist minister father who died of AIDS. I didn't call a moderator on him, it wasn't worth it. There's a lot of all kinds of inappropriate slinging going on in WP threads. It seems to be the nature of those who identify with the Autism Spectrum to say things bluntly and to at times be mean-spirited.
But for iamnotaparakeet, a professing Christian, to demand some sort of equal treatment - on a non-religious internet forum - seems to me to be a reach. The approach doesn't seem to be effectively winning over very many souls.
If you don't like how people are responding it is simple enough to stop posting.
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JerryHatake
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 12:02 am Post subject: |
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I think this thread is getting out of hand here by now.
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matsuiny2004
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | Zonder wrote: | | iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | Are we not to defend our faith? Here I defend the right to be open about our faith and question the legitimacy of some members being treated unequally. You quatermass, et al, try all this derision and holding me to a higher standard. Even claiming that it is Biblical. |
Are you defending Christian faith, or your hurt feelings? Perhaps you have picked an inappropriate platform on which to take a stand for the faith.
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I am defending the Christian Faith and the right to freedom of speech for all. |
there is nothing wrong with that, but there will be always be idiots who think other wise. Christ as far as I know (I am not christian, but he was an interesting person)kept going throuigh all the crap he recieved, he dealt with it. Their are crazy atheists, there are crazy christians, you can find a crazy side to any argument. I myself hate the comments of richard dawkins and people alike, but I also do not like to hear evangelicals tell me I will go to hell for not reading the bible. Maybe you could star a a site or advocate for religious tolerance? |
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Zonder
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| JerryHatake wrote: | | I think this thread is getting out of hand here by now. |
Yes it is. I've noticed that there are people on WP who start what they know will be controversial threads, and then when the thread produces controversy, or when responders go on the attack, the thread originator cries foul. I'm sure there is an internet term for the behavior, but I am old and still not that familiar with the lingo.
When I was a kid, there was a fellow in our church who was constantly witnessing to the "unsaved." He baited people and then would argue and argue. He loved it. Unfortunately, he couldn't get along with the employees of the factory where he worked, and he was so obnoxious that no one would work with him. He thought that he was being persecuted for the faith, but in reality he was just a boorish, angry man. He would have had much more opportunity to influence people if he had been able to stop the constant baiting and arguing.
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Quatermass
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| Zonder wrote: | | I've noticed that there are people on WP who start what they know will be controversial threads, and then when the thread produces controversy, or when responders go on the attack, the thread originator cries foul. I'm sure there is an internet term for the behavior, but I am old and still not that familiar with the lingo. |
Trolling. And people who do it are trolls.
| Zonder wrote: | | When I was a kid, there was a fellow in our church who was constantly witnessing to the "unsaved." He baited people and then would argue and argue. He loved it. Unfortunately, he couldn't get along with the employees of the factory where he worked, and he was so obnoxious that no one would work with him. He thought that he was being persecuted for the faith, but in reality he was just a boorish, angry man. He would have had much more opportunity to influence people if he had been able to stop the constant baiting and arguing. |
Sounds like just the sort of person I'd gladly break the fingers of. On both hands.
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Zonder
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| Quatermass wrote: | | Trolling. And people who do it are trolls. |
Ah, I had heard the term before but didn't know what it meant.
| Quatermass wrote: | | Sounds like just the sort of person I'd gladly break the fingers of. On both hands. |
Personally, I'd rather find a large cork and effectively place it somewhere. Breaking fingers is more martyr-syndrome-producing than a cork.
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iamnotaparakeet
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| matsuiny2004 wrote: | | iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | Zonder wrote: | | iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | Are we not to defend our faith? Here I defend the right to be open about our faith and question the legitimacy of some members being treated unequally. You quatermass, et al, try all this derision and holding me to a higher standard. Even claiming that it is Biblical. |
Are you defending Christian faith, or your hurt feelings? Perhaps you have picked an inappropriate platform on which to take a stand for the faith.
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I am defending the Christian Faith and the right to freedom of speech for all. |
there is nothing wrong with that, but there will be always be idiots who think other wise. Christ as far as I know (I am not christian, but he was an interesting person)kept going throuigh all the crap he recieved, he dealt with it. Their are crazy atheists, there are crazy christians, you can find a crazy side to any argument. I myself hate the comments of richard dawkins and people alike, but I also do not like to hear evangelicals tell me I will go to hell for not reading the bible. Maybe you could star a a site or advocate for religious tolerance? |
I don't have any money, but it would be a nice idea.
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Icheb
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Quatermass wrote: | | Zonder wrote: | | When I was a kid, there was a fellow in our church who was constantly witnessing to the "unsaved." He baited people and then would argue and argue. He loved it. Unfortunately, he couldn't get along with the employees of the factory where he worked, and he was so obnoxious that no one would work with him. He thought that he was being persecuted for the faith, but in reality he was just a boorish, angry man. He would have had much more opportunity to influence people if he had been able to stop the constant baiting and arguing. |
Sounds like just the sort of person I'd gladly break the fingers of. On both hands. |
Actually, it sounds like a certain poster here who has to bring religion into each and every thread... 
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iamnotaparakeet
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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That's delusional.
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iamnotaparakeet
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 1:18 pm Post subject: Re: Freedom of Speech and Militant Atheism |
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| iamnotaparakeet wrote: | I first want to define three terms:
1. Theist: someone who accepts Christ, G-d, Allah, a god, or gods.
2. Non-Theist: someone who doesn't accept the supernatural, but it isn't a big deal to them.
3. Miso-Theist: someone who hates God or religion in general and Crusades/Jihads against it at any cost everywhere they go.
The main focus of this thread is with Miso-Theists. These people desire to rid the world of the pathology of religion; they are truly the thought-police of many forums. It's not just that they view religion as wrong, but they absolutely hate it and want to get rid of it. And for them the end justifies the means.
Attacking people personally and generally, they go about entire forums of the internet seeking to cleanse the cyberscape of this enemy of theirs. Religion must die! They find their way everywhere, not just in PPR for the battle ranges all over.
Christianity and religious topics are generally relegated to the PPR section. People find it offensive. It clutters. No one wants it. The same is true of the misotheistic attacks. They should be relegated to PPR. If religious Aspies are equal members, then we shouldn't have to be constantly be defending our faiths on virtually any topic a misotheist deems appropriate.
In fact, people who go out of their way to attack the beliefs of others, should they be allowed to do so freely? Should they go unpunished? I distinguish here between a discussion and an attack. A discussion is solicited and the conversation is respectful of all parties.
What do I say ought to be done? These misotheists should not be allowed to freely roam and attack everywhere they please. How that is done is not my concern. I just want equality of treatment for all Aspies. |
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greenblue
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | That's delusional. |
What's delusional?
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iamnotaparakeet
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| greenblue wrote: | | iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | That's delusional. |
What's delusional? |
Icheb's post.
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Ragtime
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Icheb wrote: | | Quatermass wrote: | | Zonder wrote: | | When I was a kid, there was a fellow in our church who was constantly witnessing to the "unsaved." He baited people and then would argue and argue. He loved it. Unfortunately, he couldn't get along with the employees of the factory where he worked, and he was so obnoxious that no one would work with him. He thought that he was being persecuted for the faith, but in reality he was just a boorish, angry man. He would have had much more opportunity to influence people if he had been able to stop the constant baiting and arguing. |
Sounds like just the sort of person I'd gladly break the fingers of. On both hands. |
Actually, it sounds like a certain poster here who has to bring religion into each and every thread... |
Religion IS in each and every thread.
Sometimes people recognize it, and sometimes they don't.
But bringing its presence to people's attention is simply
helping people by telling the truth.
We have enough liars on the forum, that the truth tellers should be appreciated,
whatever truths they are telling.
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greenblue
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Ragtime wrote: | Religion IS in each and every thread.
Sometimes people recognize it, and sometimes they don't.
But bringing its presence to people's attention is simply
helping people by telling the truth.
We have enough liars on the forum, that the truth tellers should be appreciated,
whatever truths they are telling. |
| iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | That's delusional. |
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