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Ragtime
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I know, oscuria. No matter what evidence of Israel's beneficence one puts in front of Sand and skafather, no matter the high, thorough scholarship of the article, they will always insist on hating Israel, as if it's written into their DNA to do so.
Sand and skafather, since Israel has such "twisted Zionist aggression", as Sand puts it, perhaps one of you would like to explain the evil motivation behind Israel airlifting massive aid of all possible variety to the Palestinians in Gaza of their own accord, after also spontaneously relinquishing the land of Gaza to them at great pains to the Jewish families who were already settled there, and had been for decades? |
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Sand
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: |
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| You might look at http://www.wrmea.com/archives/August_2006/0608082.html to get some understanding of Israel's "generosity". Gaza has been turned into a huge concentration camp totally dependent upon Israel for all fundamental needs and to characterize this a generosity is, to say the least, ironic. The Israeli settlements pulled out because they could no longer be sustained, not because of any warm feelings for the Palestinians. |
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Sand
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| Incidentally, I lived in Israel for almost two years. My genes are no different than that of a good many Israelis and I know that there are many Israelis who are equally upset over the current policies and do not hesitate to say so. |
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psych
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I think this discussion would benefit from clearly definiting the word 'semite'
my understanding is that it (more or less) means arab. The majority of peoples alive today who follow the jewish faith are of european (ashkenazi) descent, so it doesnt really make sense to use the term anti-semitic to label those who show predujice against them. It also makes little sense to talk about most palestianians as being anti-semitic, as they are semitic. |
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Ragtime
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| Sand wrote: | | Incidentally, I lived in Israel for almost two years. My genes are no different than that of a good many Israelis and I know that there are many Israelis who are equally upset over the current policies and do not hesitate to say so. |
For clarification I said it's "as if" it's written into your DNA -- I don't believe in such a literal thing, of course.
That would be absurd. People hate because they're filled with it spiritually.
Yes, it's true, most Jewish Israelis are far-left lamenters of the hate the world has for them,
and have rationalized it under the extreme psychological pressure to do so,
concluding, "We must be guilty! Why else would they hate us so much??"
But there is another explanation.
When God chose the Jews, Satan chose them too. But for the exact opposite reason: as a people to pick on,
since that was the most direct way to mock God.
And of course, there are several God-mockers on WrongPlanet, even though God, like Israel, has done nothing
to deserve such base disrespect, slander, libel, and the inevitable curse words and general foul language insults
which are regularly thrown at both.
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Sand
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:28 am Post subject: |
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Having had no contact whatsoever with either God or Satan I cannot speak for either of them in any way and all documents indicating personal contact do not strike me as particularly rational. I fully accept your statement that God has done nothing since I have not seen any evidence otherwise and it would be somewhat psychotic for me to mock a non-entity. My problems are with people with rather odd viewpoints.
I have never encountered Jews who felt guilty about being Jewish. Most either celebrate it or ignore it. And even non-religious Jews enjoy celebrating the Jewish holidays much as non-believing Christians (if they can be so characterized since Christians do not assume a genetic relation to their religion) have a great time with Santa Claus and Easter Bunnies.
Incidentally, when a Jew hates an Arab for blasting his son to bits or an Arab hates a Jew for doing likewise to his family there is nothing spiritual about it. It is very visceral.
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Ragtime
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| Sand wrote: | | You might look at http://www.wrmea.com/archives/August_2006/0608082.html to get some understanding of Israel's "generosity". Gaza has been turned into a huge concentration camp totally dependent upon Israel for all fundamental needs and to characterize this a generosity is, to say the least, ironic. The Israeli settlements pulled out because they could no longer be sustained, not because of any warm feelings for the Palestinians. |
Palestinians work peacefully alongside Israelis in all areas of society,
including the highest government positions.
The equal rights spelled out at modern Israel's creation have been upheld to this day.
But those who are found out to have packed bombs on their bodies when trying
to enter Israeli territories naturally and sanely lose some of their rights.
On that note, let's talk about suicide/homocide bombers. Go ahead, explain to me how innocent they are.
Explain why it's so terrible to live in a high-functioning democracy, that people must blow up themselves and
others in order to get relief from all the voting rights they have, etc...
You've spun Israel down (as best you could); now it's time to let the other shoe drop, and for you to tell us
how wonderful the homicide bombers are.
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Sand
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:38 am Post subject: |
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| It is most probable that as soon as the Palestinians are as well equipped with US military hardware as the Israelis their use of suicide bombers will decrease radically. Notice how quickly G.W.Bush became less aggressive to the North Koreans when they demonstrated nuclear capacity. As Rumsfeld noted, you fight with the army you've got. |
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Ragtime
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| Sand wrote: | | The Israeli settlements pulled out because they could no longer be sustained |
Largely, yes. (And I love how you state it in the passive -- as if "they could no longer be sustained" had to do with
foul weather, and not the fact that Palestinian terrorists were trying to kill them.)
Now, answer the other part of my question to you: Why did Israel deliver 49,191.7 TONS of aid
to the Gazan Palestinians, in addition to medical supplies, vaccines, disinfectants, diapers, straw, and even surgeons where requested?
Funnily enough, I don't recall that kind of aid being delivered to the Nazi concentration camps you make referrence to.
What did you mean by "concentration camps", exactly?
And were the Jews in Europe blowing up, terrorizing, or in other ways killing civilians? Do tell.
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Ragtime
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| Sand wrote: | | It is most probable that as soon as the Palestinians are as well equipped with US military hardware as the Israelis their use of suicide bombers will decrease radically. |
You're evading the question, which was about the morality of violent and murderous actions by Palestinians
against unsuspecting Israeli men, women, and children going about their daily business.
Please also explain why Palestinians are routinely observed dancing and ululating in their streets
whenever large numbers of Israeli men, women, and children are massacred.
You have made yourself an apologist for the Palestinians, so go ahead, defend the child-murderers among them.
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Ragtime
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Please kindly give a link from a news organization that hasn't admitted 3 times in the
last 12 months to being biased against Israel in their coverage.
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Sand
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 10:08 am Post subject: |
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| The BBC? Do you question their facts or the opinions of Amnesty International? Goodness! The Israeli Lobby really has you tied down. |
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phil777
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 10:09 am Post subject: |
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| Meh, my position about this is that yeah jews needed a place for themselves. Did they had to use brute force? No. Had my history class last session in cegep (college) and heh, they never respected anything the UN or the british told them to. I don't really care what Iran might do to them anymore ;P . |
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Sand
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 10:15 am Post subject: |
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| Hey! Take it easy. There are a lot of good people there on both sides. A nuclear war would make everybody extremely uncomfortable all over the world. |
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