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1948, Israel and the Palestinians: The True Story
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phil777
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Problem with war : Can't ever kill who or what you need to get rid of.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oscuria wrote:
At least the link will not take up a page.



that's what i said. your reading comprehension sucks.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sand wrote:
The BBC? Do you question their facts or the opinions of Amnesty International? Goodness! The Israeli Lobby really has you tied down.



he's their prime demographic. fundie christian american. how else do you think they get the big tourism dollars? christian pilgrimages to israel.

well, that and playing off the same midwesterner's racism.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

phil777 wrote:
Meh, my position about this is that yeah jews needed a place for themselves.



they did? why?
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

skafather84 wrote:
phil777 wrote:
Meh, my position about this is that yeah jews needed a place for themselves.



they did? why?


Silly, it's because they couldn't all fit in the ovens, remember?
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ragtime wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
phil777 wrote:
Meh, my position about this is that yeah jews needed a place for themselves.



they did? why?


Silly, it's because they couldn't all fit in the ovens, remember?



but we had more than enough rope for african americans?
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ragtime wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
phil777 wrote:
Meh, my position about this is that yeah jews needed a place for themselves.



they did? why?


Silly, it's because they couldn't all fit in the ovens, remember?



also, you're an idiot. the whole legislation and process for the creation of the state of israel was started in 1917 before hitler even assumed power.

way to try and play off of an emotionally sore spot for most people because they actually do care and do have feelings you cold, heartless piece of opportunistic scum.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:50 am    Post subject: Re: 1948, Israel and the Palestinians: The True Story Reply with quote

Ragtime wrote:
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skafather84 wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
phil777 wrote:
Meh, my position about this is that yeah jews needed a place for themselves.



they did? why?


Silly, it's because they couldn't all fit in the ovens, remember?



also, you're an idiot.


No, but the question of this thread is whether the writer of the original article to which I posted a link is an idiot,
and he is clearly anything but. The scholarship of historical accounts at the time when Israel was
founded is absolutely top-notch.
It is established by Israel's and the Palestinians' own records that
they both wanted to live in peace with each other.

But you ignore the entire article and its historical quotes,
as if they simply don't exist.
Now, who's the idiot here, hmmm?
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rag, this is what liberals do.

They support Palestine merely because it "feels" right. Not just Palestine, but wherever there is an underdog. This is why when a gay muslim from Iran tries to flee to Britain, it's the liberals who do their damndest to send him back, and the conservatives who do their damndest (and luckily succeed) to provide him refuge.

No, liberals don't give a damn about facts. That's why when you take a situation like Israel/Palestine, liberals will omit facts, ignore facts, take facts out of context, and if all else fails, lie through their fucking teeth.

Skafather isn't just wrong and stupid, he KNOWS he's wrong and stupid, and this vitriol coming from him is his frustration at being backed into a corner where he can't defend himself.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ragtime wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
phil777 wrote:
Meh, my position about this is that yeah jews needed a place for themselves.



they did? why?


Silly, it's because they couldn't all fit in the ovens, remember?



also, you're an idiot.


No, but the question of this thread is whether the writer of the original article to which I posted a link is an idiot,
and he is clearly anything but. The scholarship of historical accounts at the time when Israel was
founded is absolutely top-notch.
It is established by Israel's and the Palestinians' own records that
they both wanted to live in peace with each other.

But you ignore the entire article and its historical quotes,
as if they simply don't exist.
Now, who's the idiot here, hmmm?


the entire article is propaganda and lies based on emotional stories that are obviously biased against the palestinians and AREN'T historically accurate.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skafather84 wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
phil777 wrote:
Meh, my position about this is that yeah jews needed a place for themselves.



they did? why?


Silly, it's because they couldn't all fit in the ovens, remember?



also, you're an idiot.


No, but the question of this thread is whether the writer of the original article to which I posted a link is an idiot,
and he is clearly anything but. The scholarship of historical accounts at the time when Israel was
founded is absolutely top-notch.
It is established by Israel's and the Palestinians' own records that
they both wanted to live in peace with each other.

But you ignore the entire article and its historical quotes,
as if they simply don't exist.
Now, who's the idiot here, hmmm?


the entire article is propaganda and lies based on emotional stories that are obviously biased against the palestinians and AREN'T historically accurate.


Specify. Which of the 37 historically documented quotes he gave -- with their sources, I might add --
are you saying the author and head of Mediterranean Studies at King's College, University of London, simply made up?

I'm going to continue to elicit your absurd statements and viewpoints until you refuse to proffer them anymore.
Until then, I'm driving the truth car, and you're under the tire.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 3:43 pm    Post subject: 1948, Israel and the Palestinians-The True Story Reply with quote

Birth of a nation topic

The Jewish people even have to wander in their own state. There is no rest from the hamascide bombers, Gaza-located rockets and the Anti-Jewish/Israeli press, striking from both without and within.

I have been studying this issue for years, and while no side is completely innocent, I will cast my lot with the Israelis. I would rather be living in a democracy where citizens have equal rights than some Arab/Islamic nation where I have fewer rights than a pile of garbage.

I read all the articles provided by the various posters and the information cemented my position. It is interesting that Israel can be so freely condemned by non-Jews but if I wrote such a piece directed at Syria, or hamas controlled Gaza I would have a Fatwa directed against me. My words would be twisted as an affront against Allah, or some other such prophet/holy book that I have no interest in.

So call me an f****** idiot, scum, foolish, ignorant, stupid. I am glad I still have the right to say what I think, as do all the posters here. Cool
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 3:46 pm    Post subject: Re: 1948, Israel and the Palestinians-The True Story Reply with quote

sartresue wrote:
Birth of a nation topic

The Jewish people even have to wander in their own state. There is no rest from the hamascide bombers, Gaza-located rockets and the Anti-Jewish/Israeli press, striking from both without and within.

I have been studying this issue for years, and while no side is completely innocent, I will cast my lost with the Israelis. I would rather be living in a democracy where citizens have equal rights than some Arab/Islamic nation where I have fewer rights than a pile of garbage.

I read all the articles provided by the various posters and the information cemented my position. It is interesting that Israel can be so freely condemned by non-Jews but if I wrote such a piece directed at Syria, or hamas controlled Gaza I would have a Fatwa directed against me. My words would be twisted as an affront against Allah, or some other such prophet/holy book that I have no interest in.

So call me an f****** idiot, scum, foolish, ignorant, stupid. I am glad I still have the right to say what I think, as do all the posters here. Cool


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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 3:49 pm    Post subject: Re: 1948, Israel and the Palestinians-The True Story Reply with quote

sartresue wrote:
Birth of a nation topic

The Jewish people even have to wander in their own state. There is no rest from the hamascide bombers, Gaza-located rockets and the Anti-Jewish/Israeli press, striking from both without and within.

I have been studying this issue for years, and while no side is completely innocent, I will cast my lost with the Israelis. I would rather be living in a democracy where citizens have equal rights than some Arab/Islamic nation where I have fewer rights than a pile of garbage.

I read all the articles provided by the various posters and the information cemented my position. It is interesting that Israel can be so freely condemned by non-Jews but if I wrote such a piece directed at Syria, or hamas controlled Gaza I would have a Fatwa directed against me. My words would be twisted as an affront against Allah, or some other such prophet/holy book that I have no interest in.

So call me an f****** idiot, scum, foolish, ignorant, stupid. I am glad I still have the right to say what I think, as do all the posters here. Cool


Well put. Smile
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