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Oldkath
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 Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject: Humiliation is abuse |
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No child should be treated the way this child was - no matter why. Our teachers should be learning techniques to build empathy and self-esteem. This teacher needs to go.
Pre-diagnosis for my daughter she was humiliated by her teachers in elementary school. It shocked and angered me then, and it still breaks my heart. She still blames me for letting her suffer. She is 20 now - so it was a while back and no one had any explanation for her different behavior at that time. When I spoke with the principal about my concerns about her having no friends, he told me not to worry, eventually the other kids would catch her in a remote area of the playground and "teach" her a lesson. When she couldn't keep her desk clean - it was moved to the hallway and she was told she was too "messy" to sit in the classroom. One day the teacher told her "I'm sick of you and I'm sure the rest of the class is too."
We soon moved her to a private Christian school - where it was only the kids who were allowed to be openly cruel to her. The teachers had to be more subtle. Eventually, the problems there led her to threaten suicide which prompted her dismissal.
Luckily, that led us to a wonderful school for children with many different disablities where she flourished and felt love and support from teachers and classmates alike.
There are things to be said for inclusion, but my experience is that most teachers have no idea how to deal with a child that is 'different". As long as the child fits what they are expecting they can deal, but beyond that most are completely at a loss.
I hope Alex's family finds a wonderful school for him - funded by the public school system. |
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tailfins1959
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: Humiliation is abuse |
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| Oldkath wrote: | No child should be treated the way this child was - no matter why. Our teachers should be learning techniques to build empathy and self-esteem. This teacher needs to go.
Pre-diagnosis for my daughter she was humiliated by her teachers in elementary school. It shocked and angered me then, and it still breaks my heart. She still blames me for letting her suffer. She is 20 now - so it was a while back and no one had any explanation for her different behavior at that time. When I spoke with the principal about my concerns about her having no friends, he told me not to worry, eventually the other kids would catch her in a remote area of the playground and "teach" her a lesson. When she couldn't keep her desk clean - it was moved to the hallway and she was told she was too "messy" to sit in the classroom. One day the teacher told her "I'm sick of you and I'm sure the rest of the class is too."
We soon moved her to a private Christian school - where it was only the kids who were allowed to be openly cruel to her. The teachers had to be more subtle. Eventually, the problems there led her to threaten suicide which prompted her dismissal.
Luckily, that led us to a wonderful school for children with many different disablities where she flourished and felt love and support from teachers and classmates alike.
There are things to be said for inclusion, but my experience is that most teachers have no idea how to deal with a child that is 'different". As long as the child fits what they are expecting they can deal, but beyond that most are completely at a loss.
I hope Alex's family finds a wonderful school for him - funded by the public school system. |
I have coached my young boys about what a lawsuit is. I jumped down the principal's throat once right in front of my youngest. I also make it clear that I expect the school to have control of their students. Being a "problem parent" from day one prevents lots of crap from happening. I hate to teach them disrespect for authority, but I don't see much of a choice.
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slowmutant
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| You have a choice. Teaching them contempt for authority may seem to be a good one now, but when they're adults it won't do them any good. For better or worse, the world is full of authority figures. You should teach them how to respond to authority with respect. |
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tcorrielus
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| That young boy w/ aspergers should not subject to such torment from both the students and the teacher. The mother should've b**chslapped that teacher in the face and bring the boy to a different school. |
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slowmutant
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| That would've created a a different set of problems. Should we b*tchslap someone whenever aspie / autie rights are being infringed? Violence begets violence, hate begets hate. |
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Odin
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| TheDoctor82 wrote: | | Kalister1 wrote: | | Yupa wrote: | It should also be added that another reason I don't trust homeschooling is because parents often use it as a means of isolating their children as a means of indoctrinating their children with very disturbing (or at least very stupid) religious or political beliefs that are not backed up by fact.
Some examples of which are religious nuts who homeschool their children so that they can teach creationism or racists who homeschool their children to teach their children to hate minorities.
At least in public school, or even private school, you'll meet a larger amount of people with a wide variety of upbringings and a wide variety of beliefs, allowing you exposure to knowledge that closed-minded parents wouldn't necessarily want or allow their child to have.
While I don't deny that home-schooling can be a great tool for good, it's an unfortunate fact that it can also quite easily be abused. |
I agree. |
And public school basically teaches kids to conform and hate their country, indoctrinating them into a Socialist agenda. Private school teaches kids to listen to authority, just because.
And even if that IS what happens in home schooling, remember- it's THEIR kids, they have the right to teach them whatever they want to.
Let me tell you- back in 11th grade, I was taught about the Great Depression- and I know the true cause of it, but public school isn't going to teach it to you because it was the very agenda of those running public school that landed the US into the Great Depression. So, I wrote down what happened for my answer- they didn't want to hear it. It was THEIR way, and that was it.
I want my kids to actually learn something- learn the truth, and learn to use their smarts, not just be told to repeat back what a teacher says. That's indoctrination and conformity. If my kids love something, I want them to be able to embrace it, not have to "put it away, cause now you have to learn from some retard teacher about things you don't care about, because they say so". Not cool in my book- sorry. |
You have it backwards, public schools teach kids to be obedient sheep of the multinational corporations.
And I find it funny that you are complaining about indoctrination when you are indoctrinating your kids with BS libertarian explanations for why the Great Depression occurred. The GD is explained very well with Keynesian economics. Libertarians and Corporatist c*ck-suckers don't like the answer because it goes against their beliefs and are thus invent convoluted explanations that fail Occam's Razor.
Frankly, I distrust most economics because a lot of it is contaminated with bias and ideology of various kinds, I just distrust Keynesianism the least.
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Odin
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| LoveableNerd wrote: | | fabshelly wrote: | Hating my country? Socialist crap? That's where I learned "My Country tis of Thee" and marched, holding flags, and singing "You're a Grand Old Flag/Yankee Doodle Dandy" in the school auditorium. It's where I learned about our marvelous Constitution and the heroes of the American Revolution. It's where I learned about Pearl Harbor - when I visit there, now, 3000 miles away from my school, I still remember the things I learned there - which can sometimes seem almost like propaganda when I see what politicians do with my adult eyes.
Social life at school was hell on earth. But the learning part was simply wonderful.
I am a bit colored against homeschooling because everyone I've talked to that homeschools does it to keep their precious little white Christians from learning about "teh homos". |
If that's why they do it, it is their rights because it is their kids. What can't be argued is how well the average homeschooled kid outperforms the average public school kid academically. Think of the social hell on earth you'd have been spared had you been homeschooled.
Socialist or patriotic, the agenda the government schools push is irrelevant. It is what they fail to teach that matters, critical thinking... as George Carlin put in his eloquent monologue, that goes against the interests of the country's real owners (the big wealthy businesses that own all the media, the judges, and the politicians). All they want is obedient workers, just smart enough to run the machines, and just dumb enough not to realize how bad they are getting f***ed by a system that threw them overboard 30 years ago.
Today's public schools are more like prisons than prisons. At least convicted prisoners get recess. And they don't get their arms broken for just dropping a piece of cake. Or arrested for putting their heads down when exhausted, or having possession of dangerous drugs like aspirin. I'm not exaggerating or making any of that up... google it, and "zero tolerance."
I have zero tolerance for kids being forced to go to concentration camps posing as schools. That is the real reason for homeschooling. |
Exactly. This is why if I ever have kids I'm homeschooling them. I want my kids to be taught to think for themselves and be critical of everything they read and hear. If they come up with opinions that are different then mine that is totally fine as long as they came to their conclusions in a rational and skeptical way.
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Odin
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| hale_bopp wrote: | A lot of teachers should be shot... when I was little they did the same thing with an ADD boy, the kids got to throw insults at him.
If I ever see some of the stupid bitches that tought my classes again, I'd be tempted to spit in their faces. |
Most teachers are idiot simpletons because the pay is too low, most people who would be good teachers don't become teachers because there are better-paying jobs. School districts get what they pay for, if people want better schools they need to understand that they will need to pay more taxes without bitching.
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Odin
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| slowmutant wrote: | You advocate something called "unschooling?" 
School is more than pure academics.
It's supposed to teach kids how to relate to other people, to prepare them for adult life. Homewchooling, unschooling ...
If these overly precious Momma's Boy types can't or won't deal with the real world, what chance would they have as adults, as parents in their own right? There are some things that books can't teach. Being a super-duper brainy apple-shiner will not get you through life.
These kids need to grow a pair, stop sucking at the teat, and go out into the world. |
The "socialization" argument is Nanny-State BS. Schools don't teach kids how to relate to others, they teach kids to conform to authority and peer-pressure.
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MrMark
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Odin wrote: | | You have it backwards, public schools teach kids to be obedient sheep of the multinational corporations. |
In college I realized that the school system was a great conspiracy to make good taxpayers out of us. It begins in first grade with a discussion of what makes a good citizen. (I was an Elementary Education major in college.) 
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Shidash
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My second grade teacher made me get up in front of the class and tell them how strange and stupid I was for pretending I lived in an imaginary world.
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MomofTom
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I weep for all of the people who have been through this level of hell. This is so unjust.
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slowmutant
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| Quote: | | The "socialization" argument is Nanny-State BS. Schools don't teach kids how to relate to others, they teach kids to conform to authority and peer-pressure. |
Kids learn to socialize because they are at school, not because school teaches them to socialize. It's situational. Peer-pressure? Again, kids learn about that because of the school environment. Peer pressure is not a cirriculum subject. Same deal with conformity, although that could be learned anywhere. This certainluy isn't an argument for the nanny-state.
Kids can't develop socially w/o social contact. School provides that in abundance. School provides the practice for adulthood. School is more than pure academics. Why else would we have yearbooks and extracirricular activities? |
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Yupa
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Odin wrote: |
You have it backwards, public schools teach kids to be obedient sheep of the multinational corporations.
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Then why are they removing the multinational corporations' soda machines from their campuses?
And why do they let so many of their History and Civics teachers rant on and on about the abuses commited by said multinational corporations without being fired? |
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Yupa
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Odin wrote: |
The "socialization" argument is Nanny-State BS. Schools don't teach kids how to relate to others, they teach kids to conform to authority and peer-pressure. |
Don't know about you, but a lot of teachers say things like "think for yourself" (sometimes hypocritically: I had a Civics teacher who said he wanted us to think for ourselves and then ended up shouting out anyone who disagreed with him).
And one of the messages that was hammered into our heads all throughout public schools by DARE, FOCUS and various Violence and/or Drug prevention programs "don't cave into peer pressure (peer pressure to smoke, drink, consume illicit substances, join gangs, beat people up, etc. Peer pressure is actually all quite discouraged) |
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