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Quatermass
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| ToadOfSteel wrote: | | windscar15 wrote: | It's dumb, it's boring compared to star wars.
I liked some of the movies, but next generation totally ruined it.
I hate Data, Spock was tolerable because he was sometimes grim.
Data is just a cheap stand-in for autistics, his whole robot thing is overplayed. Don't even get me started on Q |
First, Autism Speaks attacks me for my autistic identity. LPP attacks me for my belief that you dont have to fit his "alpha male" profile to get a woman. Ragtime attacks me because my faith in jesus doesn't include anti-gay tirades. The Cinephile attacks me for being christian. Thomas1138 attacks me because i'm a gamer. You will NOT take the last bastion of my identity away from me! |
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ToadOfSteel
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 2:14 am Post subject: |
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| look, i'm sorry to be such a troll about this, but this thread basically means that now every facet of me is hated by someone here, in effect that means that wrongplanet hates me and everything i stand for... I don't take kindly to that... |
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Quatermass
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| ToadOfSteel wrote: | | look, i'm sorry to be such a troll about this, but this thread basically means that now every facet of me is hated by someone here, in effect that means that wrongplanet hates me and everything i stand for... I don't take kindly to that... |
Hey, I don't hate you 'cause you're a Trekkie. Don't generalise so much.
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gbollard
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 3:04 am Post subject: |
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ToadOfSteel,
I don't hate you for being a trekkie... In fact I don't dislike you at all.
I value your insights into Trekkiedom since I'm such a newbie in that area.
As far as your other "attacks"...
I've been attacked by Autism Speaks... heck, it should be caused Autism Attacks except that the people doing the attacking aren't autistic (usually). You're not "somebody" on the spectrum unless you've been attacked at least once by them. - welcome to the club.
re: The alpha males... I'm not an alpha... in fact, I'm probably not even an omega... and I'm married ... to a female... so, I guess that makes you right and LPP wrong.
Then there's ragtime and the anti-gay Jesus stuff. Christian doesn't mean Catholic.. so, the pope isn't necessarily the issue. The pope generally dislikes gays... dunno why, half the Catholic priests seem to be (or have been once) gay.. but anyway, that doesn't matter. There's even theories around that suggest that Jesus and his apostles may have been gay... Now, if you believe that, and you still believe and follow Jesus... that makes you Christian but not anti-gay. Goodbye Ragtime...
Gamers... Why would one attack a gamer unless it was a war game? Dunno, that's silly.
happy now? 
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Yes, it is not to take that seriously, not everyone likes the same things, after saying that, how about attacking Dr Who or Dr Who fans? 
well, I have to say that I am into Dr Who as well, being a trekkie, I got hooked on the revived series
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ToadOfSteel
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| greenblue wrote: | | well, I have to say that I am into Dr Who as well, being a trekkie, I got hooked on the revived series |
Yeah same here...
And sorry for being such a douchebag... i had a bad day yesterday... |
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Quatermass
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| ToadOfSteel wrote: | | greenblue wrote: | | well, I have to say that I am into Dr Who as well, being a trekkie, I got hooked on the revived series |
Yeah same here...
And sorry for being such a douchebag... i had a bad day yesterday... |
Hey, if you like Doctor Who as well, bonus.
I do like some Star Trek episodes. The Corbomite Maneuver and Balance of Terror were good ones I watched from the original series, and The Best of Both Worlds I have enjoyed.
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gbollard
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| ToadofSteel wrote: | | And sorry for being such a douchebag... i had a bad day yesterday... |
Hey, no problems, we all have bad days.
Anything that we can help you with?
You raised good points anyway because we were hijacking the thread a bit from "I hate Star Trek" to "I love Doctor Who"...
So in answer to your original post....
I prefer the Star Wars world to the Star Trek one (though I prefer DW even more). The only thing that annoys me about SW is the fans who get upset about everything - especially the EP1 haters - they're a bunch of wusses who just can't handle new characters.
Anyway, I always liked the Trek movies (a bit)... well, I liked ST2 and ST4. I tolerated 3 and Generations. Only saw First contact very recently and thought it was good.
Didn't like the old Trek shows too much but it was better than a lot of other stuff at the time... I always liked Spock because I could relate to him.
I've only just started watching Next Generation about a month ago and have finished Season 1. Q was abysmal - really terrible... I hate the idea that such a dull being is a bit of a recurring character. I'm slowly coming to like data but he's always been too much of a Spock wannabe.
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Oh, and if you want to say "I hate star trek 5", be my guest. That movie was considered one of the worst points in the franchise (although there may have been some episodes in "Enterprise" that were worse), and many trekfans disown it as well... There's a commonly-held belief that the odd-numbered movies suck, while the even-numbered movies are good, although there are some exceptions (ST3 was decent, if a little farfetched, while Nemesis, the 10th movie, was considered mediocre at best)...
Next Generation gets about 50 times better after season 2 ends. Season 1 was considered the lowest point in the entire series. Seasons 4 through 6 are the best ones in the series, although the show kinda jumps the shark at the end of season 6 there...
Spock and Data are largely the same character type, but there are several significant differences. Spock is more disdainful of humanity, while Data is curious about it (if you want to compare them side by side, watch the episode "Unification"; it's the one episode in all of star trek to feature both of them)
If your primary complaint is either "star trek plots are too episodic" or "star trek is too utopian and doesn't reflect the real world", I recommend Deep Space Nine. It's basically Star Trek's answer to Babylon 5 (it even ran concurrent to B5; the shows often "competed" with each other)... As for the other 2 series, Voyager appealed too much to pop culture to really be of any interest unless you're a hardcore trekfan, and Enterprise was merely the franchise jumping the shark... |
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gbollard
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| ToadofSteel wrote: | | Oh, and if you want to say "I hate star trek 5", be my guest. |
I thought it would be kinder not to mention it.
Nemesis was a terrible disappointment too. very obvious.
I'll keep an eye out for "Unification" but since I've just hired Season 2 discs 1 and 2, it might be a long way off yet.
| ToadOfSteel wrote: | | If your primary complaint is either "star trek plots are too episodic" or "star trek is too utopian and doesn't reflect the real world"... |
No, my main complaint has always been that I don't like the ST world where everyone is "perfect", happy and most of all, conformist. Starfleet is military, so having everyone conform is important to them but as an aspie, I have always been a non-conformist.
That, I expect is part of the appeal of Doctor Who. He doesn't conform to anyone's standards. Not even the time lords.
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I hate that and The Star Wars trilogy. I think the first was excellent until it got silly from there on.
I'm sick of ppl talking about Star Trek!!! 
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| gbollard wrote: | | ToadOfSteel wrote: | | If your primary complaint is either "star trek plots are too episodic" or "star trek is too utopian and doesn't reflect the real world"... |
No, my main complaint has always been that I don't like the ST world where everyone is "perfect", happy and most of all, conformist. Starfleet is military, so having everyone conform is important to them but as an aspie, I have always been a non-conformist. |
I'm still going to recommend DS9 to you anyway... |
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DS9 was enjoyable however, I did enjoy voyager and Enterprise (Voyager since they focused on the Borg a great deal in that series (Seven of Nine was a very interesting character)
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| gbollard wrote: | | I've only just started watching TNG - never seen it until now. I've finished watching Season 1. It's not as boring as I expected but it's not exactly great either... |
Season 1 was more than a bit cheesy, with some lightweight and underdeveloped storylines. TNG improved considerably later on. I didn't even realise how mediocre the early epsidodes until I started watching TNG again recently.
I also add my name to those recommending Deep Space 9 as the greatest of the Star Treks. The characters are well-developed and distinct in their personalities. The various races are portrayed more intelligently and in greater shades of grey (especially the Ferengi) and there are some interesting recurring characters such as Garak, Kai Winn and Gul Dukat. The station itself also has far more personality than all the Enterprises put together. |
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shadowboxer
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I've been a fan of the series since I was old enough to understand it. Gene Roddenberry used the series as a commentary on the human condition. He used it to address issues like racism, war, illiteracy, & so forth. Take a minute and look at the impact Star Trek has had on our culture. How many people do you think grew up to become doctors because of "Bones" or engineers because of "Scotty"? Another way that Roddenberry was ahead of his time was in the way he portrayed women & minorities. The only time you ever saw people of color in 1960s sci-fi was on Star Trek.
Look at it this way. To paraphrase a line from Pulp Fiction, Star Trek People can like Star Wars, and Star Wars People can like Star Trek, but nobody likes them both the same.
As for myself, I'm not really a Star Wars Fan. The whole series of films was IMO a long drawn out toy commercial proving that the real strength of the "force" was in its marketing ability. I'm sure you've noticed how much the original cast has distanced themselves from the Star Wars Saga. A couple years ago, I had a chance conversation with Dave (Vader) Prowse, and even he was not particularly impresed with the latest version of Star Wars.
I prefer a movie that has a compelling storyline over one that sacrifices credibility for big $$ special effects. I hate it when I spend $20 on a movie & walk out wondering what the big deal was.
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