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wsmac
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Hey, TheCinephile... I really don't mean to make your difficulty at getting a job into a joke.
I grew up on the border so I do understand about illegals working all the low-paying jobs that U.S. citizens don't get hired for.
I disagree that the illegals are 'stealing' jobs though.
You can blame the firms they are employed by.
The businesses can blame the governement and the unions for 'having' to hire illegals.
It's an issue that has many fronts but blaming the illegals won't solve anything.
The only issue I have with illegal aliens is that they do come here illegally... that's all.
There is a system set up to allow documented alien workers into this country and I would like to see that utilized rather than crossing the border illegally.
But.. what I'd also like to see is those countries that illegal aliens come from (and as I jokingly referred to above.. they come from many countries and continents) do a better job of providing for their own people.
I think it is a real shame when a person has to travel so far just to get a job and live in fear of losing that job because they are caught and deported.
I won't argue how hard illegal aliens work because I have known many in my lifetime and I do agree that they often work the sh** jobs for less pay than an American worker would AND under worse conditions. Not every job an illegal gets is dangerous or so underpaid, but from my experience.. many are.
So.... I'd like to see their home country take care of their people so families can stay together.
I'd like to see our system of temp. workers be better run and adhered to, which I feel would benefit everyone.
And I do hope you find a job.
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Fuzzy
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Location: Alberta Canada
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 2:28 am Post subject: |
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| wsmac wrote: |
At least we've finally locked down the Northern border and are keeping those Canadian-Mexicans out of this country! Them and that beer they drink!
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You can thank(and we can blame) those darn mythbusters for that! No more catapulting Canadians across the border! |
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MsTriste
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 2:57 am Post subject: |
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| CanyonWind wrote: | Just curious here.
How many Americans here besides me had ancestors who came to this country with practically nothing and took any job they can get, no matter how difficult, dirty, dangerous, and low paying it was?
How many Americans here had people getting mad at their ancestors because they were coming into this country and "stealing jobs?"
Don't bother telling me your ancestors were "legal." Back then anybody could get into this country.
I've done a lot of construction, so I've worked with a lot of illegal "Mexicans," a lot of them are actually from countries other than Mexico. They did the roughest, most dangerous jobs, and they got paid less than we did. Ain't saying I got along with every single one, but they generally treated me better than the locals.
I don't have any reason to be mad at them for doing exactly what my great-grandparents did and acting decent about it.
Hell, I'm an aspie, but I'm not an engineer or a movie director. I still have to take any job I can get, no matter how difficult, dirty, dangerous, and low paying it is.
Goddamn aspies, stealing jobs from normal people. |
I wouldn't dare delete one letter from that post - it's perfect. |
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wsmac
WP Elevator Operator - What Floor Please?
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Location: Humboldt County, Little Blue House on the Corner
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 4:45 am Post subject: |
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| Fuzzy wrote: | | wsmac wrote: |
At least we've finally locked down the Northern border and are keeping those Canadian-Mexicans out of this country! Them and that beer they drink!
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You can thank(and we can blame) those darn mythbusters for that! No more catapulting Canadians across the border! |
Yeah, but once again you have the Great White North all to yourselves... betcha pretty happy aboot that EH? 
Actually I'm gonna miss the free crossing into Canada.. I hear we have to use our passports now.
Really makes it seem like I'm heading to a different country if I have to use my passport! 
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ja
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 7:31 am Post subject: |
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illegal mexican taking jobs, or
teaching hate in state-funded muslim schools
our country has been infiltrated |
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tailfins1959
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 7:58 am Post subject: |
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Politically, this whole thing is being framed wrong (if you want to win). "Wage degradation" and "flood the labor market" should be the focus. The number of Mexicans water down your wages; the number of Asian Indians water down my market value. I'm forced to work with them in the same cubical-bloc. My only edge is that in general, Asian Indians don't "push" for perfection. They stop when they find *A* solution and don't go on for the best solution to a problem. There is a certain value in the business world for people that have "fight" in them (along with the skills not to leave ill will behind after the task is done). Their nationality doesn't matter. In fact, the way I'm framing this can win established Indians and Mexicans to your side of the issue.
| wsmac wrote: | | Fuzzy wrote: | | wsmac wrote: |
At least we've finally locked down the Northern border and are keeping those Canadian-Mexicans out of this country! Them and that beer they drink!
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You can thank(and we can blame) those darn mythbusters for that! No more catapulting Canadians across the border! |
Yeah, but once again you have the Great White North all to yourselves... betcha pretty happy aboot that EH?
Actually I'm gonna miss the free crossing into Canada.. I hear we have to use our passports now.
Really makes it seem like I'm heading to a different country if I have to use my passport! |
I hear that in Canada, the nationality that floods the labor market is Pakistani.
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sinagua
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Location: Rhode Island
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: oh this should be good... |
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| sinsboldly wrote: | | sinagua wrote: |
And I have been incredibly disheartened by the "Juan Crow" attitudes prevalent in this country (although I know such discrimination is by no means restricted to the U.S. - just look at South Africa recently). |
Juan = John
James (Jim) = Diego
it's the Diego Crow attitude, isn't it?
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Did not know James = Diego! Interesting. It's a term I heard on "Latino USA" today on the radio, thought it was interesting/amusing.
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sinsboldly
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: oh this should be good... |
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| sinagua wrote: | | sinsboldly wrote: | | sinagua wrote: |
And I have been incredibly disheartened by the "Juan Crow" attitudes prevalent in this country (although I know such discrimination is by no means restricted to the U.S. - just look at South Africa recently). |
Juan = John
James (Jim) = Diego
it's the Diego Crow attitude, isn't it?
Merle |
Did not know James = Diego! Interesting. It's a term I heard on "Latino USA" today on the radio, thought it was interesting/amusing.
"Where in the world is Carmen...Jim?" |
make that St. James! San = Saint
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DeaconBlues
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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Cinephile, have you tried working through employment agencies in your area? I've gotten some of my best jobs that way (including a three-year stint as a licensing clerk in San Diego - had I known then what I know now, I could have hit them with an ADA lawsuit for the way I was let go...).
Here's a link to a listing of agencies in your area, with addresses and phone numbers. Good luck on your job search, and let us know how it goes!
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The_Cinephile
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| DeaconBlues wrote: | Cinephile, have you tried working through employment agencies in your area? I've gotten some of my best jobs that way (including a three-year stint as a licensing clerk in San Diego - had I known then what I know now, I could have hit them with an ADA lawsuit for the way I was let go...).
Here's a link to a listing of agencies in your area, with addresses and phone numbers. Good luck on your job search, and let us know how it goes! |
Thanks Deaconblues.
Really appreciate it!
Also, to all of you, I shouldn't have used the word "steal".
That's not accurate at all.
This was kind of written in frustration.
I'm just super pissed off about my job situation.
But seriously, every time I apply for a job, I get denied, and the next day a bunch of illegal immigrant are working there.
And it's pretty obvious that they're illegal, because they know little English.
I'm not going to rant about how "they should learn English because they're in America", because I personally think we should meet them somewhere in the middle.
And back to Deaconblues:
I have no idea how these agencies work...
I'm going to assume these services cost money...right?
I don't know, I just always thought that those were more for homeless or retarded people, or just your average joe that gets laid off.
I'm almost 18, so I don't know.
Maybe it is time to go to the agencies!
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Fuzzy
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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I'm going to assume these services cost money...right? |
Some take a finders fee from the place of employment, and some take a tiny wage that is charged on top of yours. You dont lose money to them; the employer pays them a dollar an hour or some amount for a set period of time. |
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sinsboldly
Free Range Aspie
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| The_Cinephile wrote: | | DeaconBlues wrote: | Cinephile, have you tried working through employment agencies in your area? I've gotten some of my best jobs that way (including a three-year stint as a licensing clerk in San Diego - had I known then what I know now, I could have hit them with an ADA lawsuit for the way I was let go...).
Here's a link to a listing of agencies in your area, with addresses and phone numbers. Good luck on your job search, and let us know how it goes! |
Thanks Deaconblues.
Really appreciate it!
Also, to all of you, I shouldn't have used the word "steal".
That's not accurate at all.
This was kind of written in frustration.
I'm just super pissed off about my job situation.
But seriously, every time I apply for a job, I get denied, and the next day a bunch of illegal immigrant are working there.
And it's pretty obvious that they're illegal, because they know little English.
I'm not going to rant about how "they should learn English because they're in America", because I personally think we should meet them somewhere in the middle.
And back to Deaconblues:
I have no idea how these agencies work...
I'm going to assume these services cost money...right?
I don't know, I just always thought that those were more for homeless or retarded people, or just your average joe that gets laid off.
I'm almost 18, so I don't know.
Maybe it is time to go to the agencies! |
every morning on my way to work I either walk or ride the bus by the "Labor Ready" store front. Every one of those guys sitting in the chairs in the morning are watching the video monitors in the main room, looking for a job to come up. They can be set out immediately because they have REGISTERED THEIR SKILL SETS WITH THE AGENCY. They have the agency backing them up and they go work 'per Diem.' (or day pay) until they 'work out' at a job and are hired on by the subcontractor.
it is always good to have someone have your back when going out for work. How else do you prove your skills but by showing someone what you can do. just because they don't speak English does not mean they don't know how to do the physical work. And yeah, they take a bit for them selves out of the pay, but you know what they are paying you before you go to the job, and frankly, half a loaf is better than none.
I always make out a resume of my proveable skills and then set up a way to show them what I can do if asked. what do you do?
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Kalister1
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 12:08 am Post subject: |
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Well, thats capitalism
They are willing to work harder for less 
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twoshots
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 12:17 am Post subject: |
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^ That's true. On the one hand. I've read of cases in cases where illegal immigrants have been removed, companies have been forced to raise their wages to a more competitive rate implying a superior wage for the local Americans. On the other hand, Mexican workers imply lower costs for greater productivity (a boon to both employers and the Mexican immigrants and the cost of the products they produce). Take your pick...
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 1:32 am Post subject: |
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what an unpleasant phrase 
noone is illegal |
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