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Bradleigh
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I read a bit of it, but I have enough reading at the moment to read the whole thing. But (and yess I have bad grammer) from what I read it is realy sending out the message of whats it like.
I think the answer would be to celibrate diferences, that would solve all of the problems in the world, unless you thought that in accepting a difference was a problem but thats ok i accept our differences. |
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Belfast
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Please pardon the comparison, because I'm NOT saying X is just like Z-only that there are issues in common. There's raging debate about whether to focus resources on people who already have AIDS vs. focus on prevention of acquisition of AIDS by new people. You could substitute other dx's for AIDS, this is just the example I've heard a lot about lately & the pattern/dynamic seems relevant.
I've seen stories on this, where constituencies argue on importance of more funds for treatment/care for those with the dx vs. constituencies arguing instead for more funding of prevention strategies. Neither side seems able to consider position/circumstance of the other category/group/population-though it can be for variety of reasons, not necessarily dismissal of one another's urgency but having to make "tough choices" about what to prioritize.
As with many medical (or however you want to label whatever this is) situations (differences that are likely to be considered disadvantageous), quarrels break out between those who are desperate for help & already in the group (have the "condition") vs. those who are primarily concerned with avoiding further instances of people getting the "condition" (and moving into the group of those who have it). Not all folks with an ASD are desperate for help & not all people without an ASD are fixated on no one else being born with it, but the basic premise holds.
Hope people can read past the comparison to see what I AM saying. How does one bridge gap when resources are scarce & one group wants "the whole pie" or feels so financially powerless that all of us (in the "community", which includes those who don't agree with each other's priorities) end up fighting amongst ourselves (against the larger population) for limited opportunities/assistance/support ? I haven't any answers, only restatements of the problem.
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blue_bean
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So if it's wrong to celebrate or accept our so called "brain damage" what is supposed to be the right thing to do? Pity ourselves?  
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Inventor
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The lack of Science is appaling. But I am not unbiased.
On numbers, one report from England says 95% are AS, somewhat functioning in the world, 5% need extended care.
Those with a financial interest, The Mecury Mafia and Autism Speaks, are working the 5% and claiming 95% are frauds. They have been the ones putting out the press releases.
Self interest for both groups comes with the worst behavior. So if someone was looking at $10,000,000 from Vaccine damage, and medical reviews have to do with legal damages, they have a large incentive to raise the worst child possible.
If the child grows and goes to First Grade, It is not considered disabled, and Social Security is paying $600 a month for disabled. So for $7200 a year, and medical coverage, and the promise of a $10,000,000 settlement, the things that are shown to send the child into fits are done before every medical review.
The child could be mild AS, but given the right parents, will be listed as the most disabled.
In my neighborhood a group was busted, when one got retard money for their kid, they gave lessons to everyone in the trailer park, and we had an Autism epidemic. Disability level Autism should run one in a thousand, at the highest, in this trailer court it was 50%.
Social Security is not too bright, I think it showed as a CDC hot spot, and it was near a refinery, so they checked, then the FBI checked, and Federal Court cured them all, but not the medical types who did the Dx and signed the papers. They claimed they were conned by First Graders. All the First Graders had exactly the same symptoms.
A bus was involved in an accident with ten on board, when the police arrived to make a report there were forty on board.
All of the Mecury Mafia children caught real bad Autisms, they have to be locked in a closet with flashing lights and loud country and western music to cover the screams, that kid is sick, takes a cattle prod to control them. Whoever can produce the most autistic child will get the largest settlement. As long as they send that Lawyer some fee money to keep it going.
They have the fullest and most complete support of Autism Speaks. None of their children have HFA, not in their family, ever, or that fake Asperger's Syndrom, which is not a disability. Their children are 100% screaming retards, the real Autism. They even had to be taught to draw on the wall with feces.
The Genetic Genocidists know perfectly well that maybe in one to two hundred years we might know enough to spot Autism in the womb. All they need is more funding, then more, and even more, and they will work on it till they retire.
The answer is already known, but gets complaints, test the parents, and if the birth is expected to produce a child with less than a 110 IQ, it should be aborted by law. This would cure most problems in a single generation.
The future is about computers running machines, so only those who test high in spatial relationships should be born. If everyone had a ferrite bar code on the back of the neck, scanners could track thier every move, and end crime. Those without a bar code can be incinerated with lasers.
No more illegals, no invaders, so we would not need border control, army, or government.
The main problem we face is Puberty. At a minium it should be delayed ten years, with an option to avoid it altogether. Admit it, at nine you were happy.
With so much more to learn just to keep up, we need longer childhoods. It is what seperates us from the other apes. One of the traits of AS is looking younger than your years. Neotony, This is a good deal, let's work it.
Puberty control is no more complicated than Birth Control. Lets get to the root of the problem.
Under the new system none of the people with LFA Autistic children would have had children, so problem solved. Little Professors do their best work before Puberty. We have to go with what works.
These "Free Breeder", types are dragging down the Species!
We have the Science, lets use it and Cure Humans Now. |
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rdos
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| Inventor wrote: | The answer is already known, but gets complaints, test the parents, and if the birth is expected to produce a child with less than a 110 IQ, it should be aborted by law. This would cure most problems in a single generation.
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How do you estimate the IQ of children born by a father with IQ 135 and a mother with IQ 65? 
Besides, your plan would basically eradicate a majority of the black population and a large part of the NTs.
| Inventor wrote: | The future is about computers running machines, so only those who test high in spatial relationships should be born. If everyone had a ferrite bar code on the back of the neck, scanners could track thier every move, and end crime. Those without a bar code can be incinerated with lasers.
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This seems pretty unlikely. I find the future being much like the past once we have depleted our natural resources.
| Inventor wrote: | With so much more to learn just to keep up, we need longer childhoods. It is what seperates us from the other apes. One of the traits of AS is looking younger than your years. Neotony, This is a good deal, let's work it.
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Yes, but this is the very same trait that makes ASD children test as mentally disabled. You can't both have the trait (slower development) and not have it (exterminate everybody with IQ below 110). |
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Sophist
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| anbuend wrote: | | The second sentence in the last post is why I don't really see it as all that balanced -- balanced means more than just giving a couple of sides and then attempting to find the point in between them, and really doesn't mean finding whatever extreme viewpoints you can find and putting them (or approximations of them that fit the most readily into how an outsider might view them from a distance) side by side. |
I really liked the article, but no it wasn't balanced at all. It was definitely an article which favored the autism advocacy movement, which I'm glad for.
On a side note, every time I read a quote from the NY Child Study Center in that article, I wanted to reach through the screen and strangle someone. That Koplewicz seems like such an ass. 
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asplanet
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The only and most important thing we can all do is raise awareness, and maybe one day the large organizations will stop fighting over funding and deal with what really matters....
From yet another very frustrated, disillusioned Aspie.
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Shelby
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Don't be disillusioned Asplanet! This is how all the great civil rights movements begin. Small steps. What we need more than anything, is someone to back us up publically. Like a celebrity, or for one of us to become very well known for this cause like Martin Luthor King was. It's hard because we are not discriminated against enough to get a lot of sympathy like African Americans were or gay people. The whole world still thinks of us as a disease and can't imagine why anyone would want to live "brain damaged."
I think a good start would be joining up with other disability groups who are happy the way they are. Did you know that there is a big deaf community who do not want to be cured or given cochlear implants? They see themselves as a unique group with their own language and culture and some of them see cochlear implants as a betrayal to that community. The deaf at least have actress Marlee Matlin to speak for them, she has refused cochlear implants and usually signs during interviews even though she can speak. Maybe joining up with them in a campaign that says something like "We are not broken. We do not need to be fixed. Accept our differences and let us live" would get more of a message across. There is a radio campaign running saying something about seeing abilities not disabilities, but I tend to think of wheelchairs when I think of disabilities. Autism is not a disability, it's an alternate functioning style. |
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asplanet
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Thanks Shelby feeling  again, but can not help having moments of feeling disillusioned at times...
I know we all need to continue with our small steps and things are changing but NZ seems years behind everyone else and it can be so frustrating at times  but I will be right there when the great civil rights movements begins, slowly building my army
I do feel more people will step forward soon to support us, as the tide is slowly turning for the better.
I also feel we are just different, but truly not fully understood yet!
In the professional world it still seems to be education verses experience, I feel we learn so much more from real life, than from reading a book.. I will never be text book style, then what would I know I am not a professional, and they all have it so right 
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SotiCoto
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 7:52 am Post subject: |
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One day.... they might accept us as equals.... as unlikely as that now seems.
And from there it is a simple step in the same direction to force them to acknowledge us as superiors.
There is no reason for us to stop until we RULE this stupid little planet. And as mentally advanced beings, there is no reason why we shouldn't go from being oppressed to becoming the oppressors. It is in the best evolutionary interests for us to override, marginalise and eventually extinct the sociophilic mundies.
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Bradleigh
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| yeah no problem with making the best of us being on the wrong planet |
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anbuend
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| Shelby wrote: | | What we need more than anything, is someone to back us up publically. Like a celebrity, |
Like Sigourney Weaver is already doing?
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| rdos wrote: | | Inventor wrote: | The answer is already known, but gets complaints, test the parents, and if the birth is expected to produce a child with less than a 110 IQ, it should be aborted by law. This would cure most problems in a single generation.
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How do you estimate the IQ of children born by a father with IQ 135 and a mother with IQ 65?
Besides, your plan would basically eradicate a majority of the black population and a large part of the NTs.
| Inventor wrote: | The future is about computers running machines, so only those who test high in spatial relationships should be born. If everyone had a ferrite bar code on the back of the neck, scanners could track thier every move, and end crime. Those without a bar code can be incinerated with lasers.
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This seems pretty unlikely. I find the future being much like the past once we have depleted our natural resources.
| Inventor wrote: | With so much more to learn just to keep up, we need longer childhoods. It is what seperates us from the other apes. One of the traits of AS is looking younger than your years. Neotony, This is a good deal, let's work it.
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Yes, but this is the very same trait that makes ASD children test as mentally disabled. You can't both have the trait (slower development) and not have it (exterminate everybody with IQ below 110). |
My plan would eradicate 95.63% of the population. Yes, I just made up that number.
We test adults for outcome, no matter how long it took to get there.
The next generation has all the machines, when they get to it, and not much chance of depleating natural resources. they could all live in one strip city, and turn the rest into a nature reserve.
Intelligence and long childhoods are what got us here, so why not play the strong suits?
Just Puberty Control would reach the same goal, it prolongs the peak of health and learning.
We get by just fine for twelve years without it, twenty-five would be better, never is workable.
We are up against the Chinese plan, one child per family, knowing most will chose a boy.
The result will be a massive population drop, with a much higher value placed on women.
It will be the intelligent that reproduce. A Chinese Business Plan is 500 years. They do think long term.
This is a counterpoint to those who would abort the Autistic, and are spending $10,000,000 a year toward that plan. We are also the intelligent part of the population. Getting rid of us is cultural suicide.
All post industrial cultures do see a drop in birth rate below replacement, Then business and goverment want to bring in outsiders to keep wages down.
The world population doubles, the price of food doubles, but not our land or income.
The subject was brought up as, get rid of the Autistic, but it is a larger cultural and economic problem.
The problem is people and the impact they are having on the planet. Recycling will not solve that problem, only less people will.
Numbers no longer mean strength, but show weakness.
The current non program is endless breeding, and let God sort it out. This will result in a crash, where cannibals are the survivors.
So as you say, the future will look like the past.
Steps are being taken to see that does not happen in The Middle Kingdom.
China is producing as many with Doctorates as the US has population, and their children will have all the resources of China. 130,000,000 children, both parents hold Doctorates, will inheret China, in two generations.
In broad testing the US is at, half way through the Eighth Grade, with a C-.
If we do not match the Chinese in producing a smaller, better educated, population with more resources per person, we will become Mexico Del Norte. The European colony here has not worked out, no one left to kill, nothing left to loot, and as Spanish becomes the dominate language, by 2015, Hispanic becomes the majority, many European colonists will look to moving back home.
European colonials have moved home from China, Southeast Asia, India, Africa, and get ready for another group. A Black, Native American, and Hispanic majority will be seeking redress of grivences.
It is too late for the USA, but some plan for Europe might work. Gather your gene pool while you may. Europe is better educated, and needs an influx of returnees. The question is how will your group match the Chinese of 2100.
I often pick on Europeans, at home and the colonies. To put it mildly, they have not made friends. Everyone who can, gets rid of them. Expect more of the same.
Still, I am impressed with the history of Art and Science that flowered in Europe. They are good and bad, but still one of the Great Cultures of Human history.
Some plan should be made to preserve their gene pool in a Eurozoo.
It was projected in their Cultural Mythology, the good and beautiful were Elves and Fairies. They were wise and childlike. Puberty Control, education, and population reduction can reach that goal.
Autistic is wise and childlike, so I can relate.
I am glad to see you on this thread, for the article does not cover all the points of view, and your's is a major one. |
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Sophist
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| anbuend wrote: | | Shelby wrote: | | What we need more than anything, is someone to back us up publically. Like a celebrity, |
Like Sigourney Weaver is already doing? |
I guess she's just not making outlandish enough claims so the media latches on; unlike Jenny McCarthy.
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This is pointless and idiotic. |
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