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Pobodys_Nerfect
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| I'm cured! It's just mind over matter guys. |
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paulsinnerchild
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asplanet
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I did the test and only got 19 
cataspieI think your right real eyes are needed 
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Sora
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Your score: 27
Some were too dark to see the outlines, I just clicked the first option then. They really should have coloured pictures.
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M_LibertyGirl
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Your score: 36
A typical score is in the range 22-30. If you scored over 30,
you are very accurate at decoding a person's facial expressions
around their eyes. A score under 22 indicates you find this quite difficult.
 
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5thelement
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 8:20 am Post subject: not a good example anyway - I feel a rant coming on! |
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| Sora wrote: | Your score: 27
quote]Some were too dark to see the outlines, I just clicked the first option then. They really should have coloured pictures. |
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I agree Sora - bad quality images - too dark, although I didn't score too badly. However, I though t I recognised some of the faces from adverts - so it was like 'well, these are not even real people being asked to look anxious, happy, whatever. If this is some standard test for diagnosis then it;'s not a very good one...... and as for the options for the expressions - far too narrow / some didn't even seem relevent .
Besides, it's all so subjective - really i'm quite apalled at this so called 'test' sorry to rant , but speaking as a very visual person it seemed to have been devised by well, mmm, I'm trying to be polite here - someone with a very shallow understanding of anything - I'm gobsmacked by it! |
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deadpanhead
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Did you guys figure them out through process of elimination . I couldn't tell it was the emotion I ended up putting but I could tell that it wasn't one of the more obvious ones..like anger or disappointment. I know many expressions from watching movie and TV...I seldom look at peoples faces in real life and I think that is the real reasn that they think aspies can't "read" NVC.
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Yes, i don't think this is a test of expression recognition but of deduction. It was like playing Mastermind. Some had only one answer that was even vaguely representative of the pic. For others, only two answers were possible-the others being in the extreme opposite direction, and the final answer could be ascertained by the direction in which the eyes were looking.
I have had a lifelong movie obsession (and i ain't a spring chicken) and have excellent visual discrimination, so that may have helped me, too. In that regard it was like playing Memory and matching still shots to ones in my memory database.
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marshall
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| deadpanhead wrote: | | krex wrote: |
Did you guys figure them out through process of elimination . I couldn't tell it was the emotion I ended up putting but I could tell that it wasn't one of the more obvious ones..like anger or disappointment. I know many expressions from watching movie and TV...I seldom look at peoples faces in real life and I think that is the real reasn that they think aspies can't "read" NVC.
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Yes, i don't think this is a test of expression recognition but of deduction. It was like playing Mastermind. Some had only one answer that was even vaguely representative of the pic. For others, only two answers were possible-the others being in the extreme opposite direction, and the final answer could be ascertained by the direction in which the eyes were looking.
I have had a lifelong movie obsession (and i ain't a spring chicken) and have excellent visual discrimination, so that may have helped me, too. In that regard it was like playing Memory and matching still shots to ones in my memory database.
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They also took a lot of artistic license with all the makeup and lighting and such. With real people there isn’t always perfect lighting and/or makeup to accentuate people’s faces. Also, a lot of people just happen to have a certain look in their eyes genetically. In that case it’s easy to misconstrue emotion. |
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brat
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Your score: 25
A typical score is in the range 22-30. If you scored over 30,
you are very accurate at decoding a person's facial expressions
around their eyes. A score under 22 indicates you find this quite difficult.
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The correct answers for the ones you missed are:
1: playful
2: upset
3: desire
6: fantasizing
11: regretful
12: sceptical
13: anticipating
18: decisive
25: interested
30: flirtatious
31: confident |
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Asterisp
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A score of 22.
Ah well, I was lucky. |
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Ryn
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I got 20, whic they said means I find this difficult. I was amused because I was thinking, "Yeah, try decoding these without the nice little choices to the right."
I'm surprised that I got lower than most of the others. I thought I was pretty good at that sort of thing for someone with AS.
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Angnix
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19
Lower than I thought I would get, since I am not sure I have AS.
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Hashberry
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Im sure i read a recentish report finding that in fact autistics do not in fact have a problem per se with reading eyes. |
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Hashberry
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Autistic children are able to interpret the mental state of others by looking at their eyes, contrary to previous research, a new University of Nottingham study has found.
In findings that contradict previous studies, psychologists found that autistic children can 'read' a stranger's mental state based on that person's eyes. Autistic children have long been thought to be poor at interpreting people's mental states based on facial expressions, especially expressions around the eyes.
Some researchers believe that this lack of ability could be central to the social problems experienced by autistic children and adults.
But the latest findings cast doubt on this hypothesis. A study at The University of Nottingham found that autistic children were able to interpret mental states when looking at animated facial expressions. The findings also suggest that the use of moving images, rather than conventional still pictures, gives a much more accurate measure of the abilities of autistic children.
Researchers hope that by increasing understanding of autism, their findings may ultimately help in the teaching and treatment of people with the condition.
Published in the latest issue of the journal Child Development, the study was led by Dr Elisa Back. Her co-researchers were Professor Peter Mitchell and Dr Danielle Ropar of the School of Psychology at The University of Nottingham.
Dr Back said: "Previous findings show that children and adolescents with autism may have difficulty reading mental states from facial expressions but our results suggest that this is not due to an inability to interpret information from the eyes.
"Surprisingly, autistic children seemed particularly reliant on the eyes and also the mouth when making mentalistic inferences.
"The conclusions of previous research are largely based on methods that present static photographs to participants. Our study indicates that a more accurate measure of the abilities of those with autism can be obtained through the use of sophisticated digital imaging techniques with animated facial expressions."
The study compared two groups of autistic children, one group aged 10-14 and one aged 11-15, with two control groups of non-autistic children. They underwent a series of tests to see whether they could gauge the mental state of a stranger by looking at different parts of the face.
Researchers conducted two experiments in which the participants looked at a series of facial expressions on a laptop screen. In the facial images used, the eyes and mouth were either 'freeze-framed' in a neutral expression, or animated and expressive. By showing a sequence of different combinations, they were able to gauge which aspects of the face were used by the autistic children to 'read' someone's mental state - and how successful they were.
In the second experiment, the 18 autistic children involved were as successful as non-autistic children in interpreting mental states, whether they saw the eyes in isolation or in the context of the whole face. This indicates that autistic children do, in fact, make use of information from the eyes - a finding that contradicts prior studies.
An estimated 588,000 people have autism in the UK, according to the National Autistic Society. A mental health survey by the Office for National Statistics found the prevalence of children and young people anywhere on the autistic spectrum is 0.9 per cent - almost one in every 100.
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Article adapted by Medical News Today from original press release.
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The University of Nottingham is Britain's University of the Year (The Times Higher Awards 2006). It undertakes world-changing research, provides innovative teaching and a student experience of the highest quality. Ranked by Newsweek in the world's Top 75 universities, its academics have won two Nobel Prizes since 2003. The University is an international institution with campuses in the United Kingdom, Malaysia and China. |
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krex
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Something else I find helpful and also do when I am reading about a charactor in a book when they describe their facial expressions....I try and make my face do what they are describing...like biting my lip, furrowing my brow. Sometimes making my face do the same thing will make me "feel" the emotion . (I'm sure it looks a bit odd to anyone watching me read and obviously you can't do that when you are talking to someone or they will think you are "mocking" them..but it helped on the test and when reading.
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