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makuranososhi
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| ThatRedHairedGrrl wrote: | 1. A small town in Stjordal, Norway.
2. Anyone who wants their photo taken with that stupid station sign, or who wants to go to the Hell Music Festival.
3. No. Justice is in Illinois. |
4) New Jersey on a hot day.
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Juniperberrygirl
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A queue where the person behind me thinks the queue will move faster by standing too close to me. (as in touching my back with their front.) I usually start swinging my foot (casually but firmly) behind me to hit their ankles or shins, they usually move back a bit.
I don't think my way is a good way to deal with it but it's my only way to sort it as of yet. Sry, I went a bit off topic. |
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Hodor
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nomnom_hamster
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This is the norse/heathen/asatru Hel
I tend to agree more with whats in the "theories section" in this wiki:
"It has been suggested that this description of Hel is of later date, and that she originally was a much more neutral goddess over the realm of shadows, where all, despite their deeds, gather after death. This can be seen as being supported by the etymology of Hel (Lat. Celāre, Ger. hehlen), meaning the "hider". It is important to note that also that Baldr and Sigurd are sent to Hel after their deaths. Bishop Wulfila uses the Gothic word Halja to translate the Greek "Hades."
Viktor Rydberg, in particular, advocated this view. In the book "Our Fathers' Godsaga" he theorizes that the correct name for Loki's daughter is in fact "Leikn" and that, in Christian times, she was confused with Urðr, one of the three Norns and the dís of fate and death. Rydberg's theories are not generally accepted." |
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Blasty
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I consider Heaven and Hell to be creations of the mind to describe states that we experience in our lives, and nothing more.
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JakeWilson
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The Bible describes Hell this way in Luke 16:19-31,
19"There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell,[c] where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
25"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'
27"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
29"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'
30" 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'
31"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "
So in hell people have their memory of their life on earth, they have their senses, they have a body, and they are in unbearable torment forever.
Who goes there and why? John 3:16-21 is one of MANY passages that addresses this:
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[f] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.[g] 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."[h]
God gave His Son to die and thus gave everyone a chance to be saved. But if people love their sin more than they love God and if they will not come to Jesus and trust Him for salvation and repent of their sins, then they go to hell. |
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Tim_Tex
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To me, hell is a place where extraordinarily evil people go for eternal punishment.
There are constant disputes over what is hellworthy, and what hell is.
The first one: Some people think that even mere tolerance for certain lifestyles is hellworthy (i.e. Westboro Baptist Church's stance on homosexuality). Yet others believe that only the worst of the worst were receive eternal damnation (i.e. only people like Hitler, Stalin, etc. are evil enough to go to hell).
The second one: Some people believe that hell is literally a wasteland consisting of fire and brimstone, and has the ten circles (actually from Dante's Inferno, not the Bible). Others believe it is a place where people are simply irrevocably removed from God--when faced with a dire situation, you're pretty much on your own, when you would normally ask God for help.
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SierraBell
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| Jennyfoo wrote: | Hell is place made up by power-seeking religious zealots in an attempt to control their followers.
Nobody goes there because it does not exist. |
XD That probably would make sense I suppose...the religious zealots are the ones that are paranoid about it, and they are creating their own hell by believing in that. I don't believe anyone goes to hell for eternity, I believe everyone creates their own spiritual hell on earth. |
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CMaximus
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I think hell is a cultural device.
It helps instill a conditional code of ethics in the lay person, and ensures that, if nothing else, they have a sense of meaningful fairness that runs throughout the events of their lives, in light of social competition.
In essence, it softens the blow of not being able to always to satisfy one's ego.
Leaving the threat of purgatory, karma, or "It's a test everyone takes whether they know it or not and that's why no one's allowed to help you until it's too late" has a nice bonus of scaring people who might otherwise make ingracious decisions in life into at least sycophantically trying to be kind.
Most major religions tote some form of "unconditional love," and if you can understand why, maybe you can see what it is the religions' founders hopes and dreams for the future might have been.
Personally, I believe the afterlife is an emotionally derived belief of our conceited cognitive functions trying to reason against the cold, hard fact that we're just a process that eventually terminates, despite how complex we are. But, people tend to believe what they want to believe. I say this not nihilistically or as an expression of despair, but as a frank assessment, and don't propose that what we do in life has no significance. It's just that the significance is only to us. |
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Lene
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Juniperberrygirl wrote: | A queue where the person behind me thinks the queue will move faster by standing too close to me. (as in touching my back with their front.) I usually start swinging my foot (casually but firmly) behind me to hit their ankles or shins, they usually move back a bit.
I don't think my way is a good way to deal with it but it's my only way to sort it as of yet. Sry, I went a bit off topic. |
Must try that....
To me, Hell is missed opportunities. Knowing that I could have done things differently. Or even done them at all. Hell is when your life is paralysed from within. |
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CMaximus
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I suppose hell is also going through four years at a school whose population is 84% female, not encountering anything even remotely resembling a romantic relationship, and having no idea why or how.
(Discovering AS a year later softened the blow somewhat) |
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SamAckary
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If you ask me, hell is the single most dispicable thing anyone could ever create, why?, beacause it is used by those who call themselves the nice religious people who will go to heaven, but, why would a wonderful, loving god allow us to be more corrupted by natural urges?, thats like saying to a cat, which would not understand you, that if it kills a mouse you lock it into a cage and leave it there to rot, why though?, because of natural evolutionary instinct?, doesn't that seem slightly to harsh on a primitive animal which never evolved to be morally right or morally wrong, and as such it is instinct of evolution, not placed there by an almighty being, and if anyone decides their wonderful god is so lovely and caring, don't you think that he would prefer not to send his prized human race, which he spent along time making, into a pit of burning fire?, instinct, thats all, humans are animals, like all dogs, cats, monkeys & snakes, we have our instincts so that we may survive, nature doesn't care for right or wrong, just survival, you could argue that we are above animals, but the truth is, we arn't, the good thing is, that we have advanced minds, yet many species of animals have incredible abilities all for their survival, yet our mind and questioning of our origins, may end up leading us to a real hell.......
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qaliqo
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: Re: What is hell? |
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| gsilver wrote: | What is hell like?
Who goes there and why?
Is that justice? |
"L'enfer, c'est les autres." Jean-Paul Sartre, Huis Clos
Doesn't exist, so nobody goes there, which is just.
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Alaspi
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"Hell is here." *is pointing down at hospital bed*
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Bradleigh
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many people say that hell is created by the person and I think people say that they send themself to it.
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