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techstepgenr8tion
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In most cases, definitely not. You'll see people all over this thread who've developed NT level social skills and beyond. What really separates us are things that are too fundamental for even the most socially skilled of us to change about ourselves. The reason why social skills are focused on so much are they're, on the exterior of a person, the most nagging problem. Really that person can often times have a processing mechanism for the world around them that's so unique that while they may learn rather quick how to act normal, their processing speed from one brain region to the next can be rediculously skewed from the norm. That can put very literal and physical glass ceilings on some people's ability to socialize (like an elastic wall, they can push into it and make progress past that point but much to the expense of their own mental health - they end up needing to find the happy medium). Even as your social skills improve, you find that the amount of mental fuel that you have to go around or even having the electro-chemical pleasure/reward cascade work properly comes into danger and because of that you find you have to innovate, take short cuts, and either repeat until something becomes instinct - if that can't be done you just have to let it go and find a different way around an obstacle.
To tell the truth, if it was just a lack of social knowledge, I don't think Asperger's would exist at all. After all where did NT's get it - just different parents? If we didn't have such strong neurological differences we might have about 5 minutes, or a year, of catching up but after that we'd literally be like anyone else. |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: Is it possible that Aspergers is merely an excuse for |
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| srriv345 wrote: | | Quatermass wrote: | Look, I dunno about you, but I was diagnosed by Doctor Tony Attwood himself. And I seem to be the only one here who was diagnosed by Doctor Attwood. So, out of you all, I am probably as close to a definitive AS diagnosis as you can get without having had one from Hans Asperger himself.
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This thread itself is ridiculous, but are we now playing the game of "my-diagnosis-is-better-than-your-diagnosis"? Oy. Not all of us live in Australia, and it is a bit presumptuous to proclaim Attwood The Definited AS Expert just because he's written books and goes to many conferences. There are lesser known professionals who also have extensive experience in working with people who have ASDs. Let's not glorify AS "celebrities." |
Agreed and agreed. Why is there this contest?
To the OP: First, while semantically correct, the implications of your description is unpalatable to me. Secondly, I think we'd continue the way we have... different, but still whole.
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LePetitPrince
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| Since there's no biological test that proves the existence of AS in anyone of us then your theory can't be proven wrong....yet. |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Is it possible that Aspergers is merely an excuse for |
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| Fred2670 wrote: | I can do it
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I dont really understand what exactly are you trying to say, can you make that more clear? as it seems to me to imply that being an aspie or a NT to be a matter of choice, pehaps I am getting it wrong?
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LeKiwi
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Trolling? Or just stupidity?
I don't need no meds.
(Attwood had a bit to do with my getting diagnosed tooooo.... t'was at a conference he held where I first heard about it; I'd already been seen and diagnosed by that point but had no idea that I had and hadn't heard of it, he kinda qualified and completed it all and 'introduced' to me to AS).
No, that doesn't make my diagnosis any better or worse than anyone else's. I'm just sayin' is all. 
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marshall
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I think all these labels are somewhat contrived. On the "high functioning” end the symptoms won’t be homogenous. We can be as different from each other in our skills and weaknesses as we are different from “normal” people. From my experience here the only real universal is trouble socializing. Until scientists are able to diagnose by looking at physical neural structures (a looong ways off) it’s always going to be fuzzy.
The trouble is nothing ever really fits into a neat bureaucratic framework. Our man-made rules and definitions are ultimately inadequate and fallible in the face of the complexity of true nature. Man made bureaucracies (which is what labels are a part of) will never be as true and concrete as the true physical laws that govern nature. I think conservatives should keep this in mind more often. It bugs me when they taught their status quo thinking on rules and regulations as some kind of natural order. It is not. Things in nature do not owe their existence to how we choose to name or label them.
I do think society as a whole would function better if people were allowed to play a role that focused on their individual strengths and not always be forced into the roles that are designed specifically for the majority. I understand that it’s impossible to make accommodations for everything in life, but I don’t think that’s an excuse not to try. |
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Jainaday
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I assume you do what you have to do
to achieve a sense of normality
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Why? |
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Fred2670
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| Jainaday wrote: | | Fred2670 wrote: |
I assume you do what you have to do
to achieve a sense of normality
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Why? |
its basic human nature
even for those who find abnormality their norm
it is a natural course of events (even unconsciously)
to gravitate toward what, in life, is most comfortable.
the path of less resistance. a stress-free environment.
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| LeKiwi wrote: | | Trolling? Or just stupidity? |
I can never tell with Fred, so I normally just ignore him.
| LeKiwi wrote: | | I don't need no meds. |
Nor do I.
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Jainaday
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| Fred2670 wrote: | | Jainaday wrote: | | Fred2670 wrote: |
I assume you do what you have to do
to achieve a sense of normality
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Why? |
its basic human nature
even for those who find abnormality their norm
it is a natural course of events (even unconsciously)
to gravitate toward what, in life, is most comfortable.
the path of less resistance. a stress-free environment. |
hmn. .
I think for the most part--now, this hasn't always been the case--I just try to chill out and not stress about my weirdness. |
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Fred2670
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for me it is living life NT. my greatest problem is in my thought process, dermining what is pertinent or not and reaching through the clutter and grabbing a single clear ray of thought. With enough time in any given situation, I can figure it out and act or speak rationally with other NTs. It takes time, but I know I can do it.
I thought at first that being diagnosed was great, because it showed me why things seemed to be the way they were. There was finally a reason. Now its time to deal with the problem that is this "reason". Can it be cured? Yes, I believe with high enough levels of self-awareness, tact, respect for other people, and above all else honesty, a person can "snap out of it" and become virtually indistinguishable from other NTs.
I have quit my medication as of six hours ago
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It's not a good idea to quit medications without a doctor's supervision. Take it from one who has made that mistake and suffered for it.
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Fred2670
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things are gonna change
I can feel it
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Pandora
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Why should everyone be worrying about a metaphorical peeing up the wall contest anyway? A diagnosis is a diagnosis is a diagnosis...... Everyone is meant to be the same, regardless. Why bother with labels when most of them are a cop-out? If you are Aspie, and not worried, then say 'fine, I'm moving on'. If you are worried about it to the point of not coping, then things only get worse.
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Fred2670
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why cope when you can be cured?
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