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greenblue
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| Fred2670 wrote: | | Pandora wrote: | | Fred2670 wrote: | | why cope when you can be cured? |
Haven't you heard? There is no cure. If you were born autistic, you'll die autistic. Coping and living with it is the BEST anyone can hope for. Get used to it. |
While it is quite possible that not everyone
can be cured, I can be. For anyone else who
wants to be cured, the first step is to actually
want to be cured and to dispose of their
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What some autistics have been able to do is to to learn social skills with help, in order to be able to function in society or so the goal would be it for them, but that doesn't mean they are cured, they have to work stuff NTs take for granted by other means, the brain is wired in the same way ever, once autistic, always autistic.
You would have to provide a real and substantial scientific evidence if you want to support your claim that aspies and autistics can actually be cured if they want to, which to me, there isn't, if you don't provide then your arguments are pointless and have no value, other than just prejudice or wishful thinking or whatever, but misleading.
And, if a person diagnosed with AS is seem to be cured and able to be an NT as you say, then I can say that likely the person would have been misdiagnosed in the first place.
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Fred2670
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| greenblue wrote: |
What some autistics have been able to do is to to learn social skills with help, in order to be able to function in society or so the goal would be it for them, but that doesn't mean they are cured.. |
I disagree
If the symtoms are alleviated and the ability to function in society is enhanced and maintained to the degree that it would be considered normal, as far as Im concerned, that is a cure and no doctor, no therapist, no professional keyboarder will ever convince me otherwise.
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greenblue
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Fred2670 wrote: | | If the symtoms are alleviated and the ability to function in society is enhanced and maintained to the degree that it would be considered normal, as far as Im concerned, that is a cure and no doctor, no therapist, no professional keyboarder will ever convince me otherwise. |
Because you know more than they do, right? 
Lucky for us, we tend to trust a professional opinion more than some random guy on the internet. 
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catspurr
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I personally think that people that are highly jealous of intelligent or creative people decided to examine the person's flaws and create a syndrome to make way for the new world of sports and socialization (GAG).
People get really uptight and offended if they see someone talented or very intelligent. It makes them jealous so they pick on their flaws, put them down and make them out to be a defect to cover up the fact that they are actually just jealous and insecure themselves.
It makes the person feel better about themselves. Usually when you see someone fumbling around for insults and also the keywords "You aren't special" it means they are jealous that there is something interesting about you meanwhile they spent their whole lives listening to the conformity works plan and abiding by their wishes. "You don't have to be different ya know!!" Yeah well you don't have to be a conformist ya know!
You can get more money from conforming at times sure...but you can't if you are different on the inside and it's that apparent. Some of us mess up conformity for a reason. Nature wants us to be this way.
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LePetitPrince
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| LePetitPrince wrote: | | Since there's no biological test that proves the existence of AS in anyone of us then your theory can't be proven wrong....yet. |
again....you cannot prove the OP wrong. Asperger can be just a sub-continuous excuse for our weaknesses, note that psychiatry is just a pseudoscience. Asperger is not totally genetically proven yet. |
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catspurr
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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Lepetitprince, why are you talking to yourself?  |
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skafather84
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| catspurr wrote: | | Lepetitprince, why are you talking to yourself? |
i think he's setting a fine example for the rest of us...we should all strive to correct our own mistakes.  |
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catspurr
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| skafather84 wrote: | | catspurr wrote: | | Lepetitprince, why are you talking to yourself? |
i think he's setting a fine example for the rest of us...we should all strive to correct our own mistakes. |
Oh thanks for clearing that up. Thanks for showing me the error in your ways Lepetitprince. It takes guts to do that! |
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LePetitPrince
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| catspurr wrote: | | Lepetitprince, why are you talking to yourself? |
no, I was just requoting what I said and was talking to the thread starter. |
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makuranososhi
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Fred2670 wrote: | I agree
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We are who we are |
diagnosed with the condition
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and who we choose to be.
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My point is that we are both aspects.
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greenblue
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| LePetitPrince wrote: | | catspurr wrote: | | Lepetitprince, why are you talking to yourself? |
no, I was just requoting what I said and was talking to the thread starter. |
I thought you were arguing or tying to convince yourself or something. There is no shame with talking to oneself though, I do it all the time, especially in debates.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| greenblue wrote: | | Fred2670 wrote: | | If the symtoms are alleviated and the ability to function in society is enhanced and maintained to the degree that it would be considered normal, as far as Im concerned, that is a cure and no doctor, no therapist, no professional keyboarder will ever convince me otherwise. |
Because you know more than they do, right?
Lucky for us, we tend to trust a professional opinion more than some random guy on the internet. |
Well said, greenblue! Doctors and psychologists have years of university and medical school training, and Degrees and PhD's behind them, so yeah, I guess I'd put my faith in their diagnoses before someone just sitting in front of a computer keyboard. Do you have a medical degree, doctorate or PhD, Fred?
If not, I rest my case.
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Jainaday
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Pandora wrote: |
Well said, greenblue! Doctors and psychologists have years of university and medical school training, and Degrees and PhD's behind them, so yeah, I guess I'd put my faith in their diagnoses before someone just sitting in front of a computer keyboard. Do you have a medical degree, doctorate or PhD, Fred?
If not, I rest my case. |
It's really not safe to trust someone just because they have an advanced degree in field.
you have to weigh all the information you can get, consider how much you should trust the sources, then guess the best you can. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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But wouldn't that be better trusting the opinion of a doctor who has the knowledge behind them rather than someone who thinks he's cured just because he can handle things a bit better than he did in the past? Virtually every doctor I've come across has said there is no cure, and most of the people with AS that I've spoken to have admitted the same thing, and have no problem. Maybe some people prefer to think that their coping is a cure, but is it reality?
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Jainaday
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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I think "cure" vs. "functioning so well it doesn't matter" is a matter of semantics. . . and I think "AS" vs. "having the symptoms of AS, which many things besides neurological imbalance/difference could cause" is also semantic.
I think it's sad that he thinks AS neccessarily means he's broken, but if he wants to throw himself into being "cured," well, nothing wrong with that. . . only hope he does it wisely. |
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