| Would it be wrong for God to delete people? |
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Ragtime
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| Letum wrote: | | Ragtime wrote: | | Letum wrote: | Either god makes morality, in which case he chooses if it is good or bad to delete people and can change his mind about it when ever he wants.
Or God does not make morality, in which case god must answer to a higher law, which doesn't make much sense for most definitions of god.
So if there is a god and he answers to no higher morality than him self the answer to the question is:
It's impossible to know! God might change his mind and make it wrong to delete people one moment and not wrong the next. I can't tell what he is thinking right now.
Only the Greek, Roman and other such gods are capable of doing wrong. Monotheistic gods usually get to decide what is right/wrong because they are all-powerful and answer to no higher law. |
Very true. One might well ask "Can God be morally wrong?" As a monotheist, no, my God cannot be morally wrong, for He is above all law.
But He chooses to adhere to His own convenants anyway -- a fact to which innumberable Scripture verses attest. |
Although he could be changing those covenants by altering the past for all we know.
Anything all powerful is totally unpredictable.
For all we know he made it morally good to kill babies yesterday. Or perhaps he considers it morally good for deity's to lie when they write scripture.
Who knows! |
Well, speaking out of time, and assuming omnipotence, God would never have to change the timeline, for it would have been perfectly conceived by Him before the creation. And it doubtless influenced the choices He made during creation -- the talents/traits He gave us, etc.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Ragtime wrote: | | Letum wrote: | | Ragtime wrote: | | Letum wrote: | Either god makes morality, in which case he chooses if it is good or bad to delete people and can change his mind about it when ever he wants.
Or God does not make morality, in which case god must answer to a higher law, which doesn't make much sense for most definitions of god.
So if there is a god and he answers to no higher morality than him self the answer to the question is:
It's impossible to know! God might change his mind and make it wrong to delete people one moment and not wrong the next. I can't tell what he is thinking right now.
Only the Greek, Roman and other such gods are capable of doing wrong. Monotheistic gods usually get to decide what is right/wrong because they are all-powerful and answer to no higher law. |
Very true. One might well ask "Can God be morally wrong?" As a monotheist, no, my God cannot be morally wrong, for He is above all law.
But He chooses to adhere to His own convenants anyway -- a fact to which innumberable Scripture verses attest. |
Although he could be changing those covenants by altering the past for all we know.
Anything all powerful is totally unpredictable.
For all we know he made it morally good to kill babies yesterday. Or perhaps he considers it morally good for deity's to lie when they write scripture.
Who knows! |
Well, speaking out of time, and assuming omnipotence, God would never have to change the timeline, for it would have been perfectly conceived by Him before the creation. And it doubtless influenced the choices He made during creation -- the talents/traits He gave us, etc. |
you're thinking in a linear timeline.  |
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Ragtime
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| Descartes wrote: | | If the Christian God does exist, then why is it that he hardly ever follows his own rules that he makes us follow? I guess he just doesn't practice what he preaches. |
Well, first of all, God openly makes rules specifically for us to follow, not for Himself as well. He does make promises to us, however, and always keeps them. Since God doesn't "preach" that He will obey every law He gives mankind, of course He wouldn't "practice" those laws Himself. I mean, come on, we are hardly comparable beings in nature to God! Should he be taught "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself", for instance? Who is God's peer???
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Ragtime
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| slowmutant wrote: | | God deletes people all the time. The cycle of life & death was created by God. The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away. If no one ever died, no one could live. Technically, you begin to die the day you are born. Your days are numbered, but only God knows that number. |
Well, I'm referring to full deletion, soul included.
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oscuria
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| Ragtime wrote: | | Well, I'm referring to full deletion, soul included. |
Ah, hmm.
How could He delete Himself? The soul is eternal, it cannot be destroyed. In regards to that explanation, what can be done to destroy it? Nothing. Just as nothing can be done to destroy HIM, since He is.
I recall the saying Fullness will remain fullness. Even when fullness is added to or removed from fullness, it will remain fullness. So how would such a task be possible? He would be destroying Himself, and we just acknowledged that He is without destruction.
If there were Gods and Goddesses, they would be subjected to the time and death. But this is not the case.
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Letum
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| Ragtime wrote: | | [He does make promises to us, however, and always keeps them. |
How do you know this?
Perhaps he has made it morally right for deity's to deceive mankind. |
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| Ragtime wrote: |
Well, first of all, God openly makes rules specifically for us to follow, not for Himself as well. |
God didn't make moral goodness, He is moral goodness. He didn't sit down one day and think, "Gee, I'm bored. Why don't I make up a bunch of rules for no reason and make them puny little mortals obey." It's part of Him.
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God doesn't delete people, mods do. They vanish into the ether. I somehow think that Ragrime makes up the rules as he goes along.
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Awesomelyglorious
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| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: Would it be wrong for God to delete people? |
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| Ragtime wrote: | This is a purely philosophical ethics question, since I don't believe God ever deletes people from existence.
Would it be wrong for a creator god to delete some of those he created?
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How could it be wrong? In fact, some people would even be better off deleted. |
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Awesomelyglorious
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| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| oscuria wrote: | He can delete people all He wants.
The question is can He delete a Soul? |
If he is omnipotent, then why can't he? |
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Awesomelyglorious
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| oscuria wrote: |
How could He delete Himself? The soul is eternal, it cannot be destroyed. In regards to that explanation, what can be done to destroy it? Nothing. Just as nothing can be done to destroy HIM, since He is. |
He is omnipotent. |
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oscuria
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| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Awesomelyglorious wrote: | | oscuria wrote: |
How could He delete Himself? The soul is eternal, it cannot be destroyed. In regards to that explanation, what can be done to destroy it? Nothing. Just as nothing can be done to destroy HIM, since He is. |
He is omnipotent. |
I was waiting for this response.
Do we, those who believe Him to be Omnipotent, deny that He is unable to do anything against His will? If His will is to Be, how can He contradict this?
Imagine a wheel that is set on its path. It can neither move to the left nor to the right because this has been the course it was given. How then can it veer to other directions?
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Descartes
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| oscuria wrote: | | Descartes wrote: | | If the Christian God does exist, then why is it that he hardly ever follows his own rules that he makes us follow? I guess he just doesn't practice what he preaches. |
Because He's God. Have you forgotten that aspect?
Leaders come into power, but how many of them follow their own rules? Subjects are meant to be subjugated, not challenge those in power or question. |
Then, honestly, I don't understand why one would want to love and worship such a being. |
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| Ancalagon wrote: | | Ragtime wrote: |
Well, first of all, God openly makes rules specifically for us to follow, not for Himself as well. |
God didn't make moral goodness, He is moral goodness. He didn't sit down one day and think, "Gee, I'm bored. Why don't I make up a bunch of rules for no reason and make them puny little mortals obey." It's part of Him. |
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