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| Who is the Greatest U.S President of the 20th Century |
| Clinton |
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4% |
[ 3 ] |
| George H.W Bush |
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1% |
[ 1 ] |
| Ronald Reagan |
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16% |
[ 11 ] |
| Jimmy Carter |
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7% |
[ 5 ] |
| Gerald Ford |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Richard Nixon |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Lyndon B Johnson |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| John Fitzgerald Kennedy |
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6% |
[ 4 ] |
| Dwight Eisenhower |
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1% |
[ 1 ] |
| Harry Truman |
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3% |
[ 2 ] |
| Franklin Delano Roosevelt |
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28% |
[ 19 ] |
| Herbert Hoover |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Calvin Coolidge |
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7% |
[ 5 ] |
| Warren G Harding |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Woodrow Wilson |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| William Taft |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Theodore Roosevelt |
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22% |
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thanksforallthefish
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didn't Carter support Mobutu?
bad move, man. |
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Orwell
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| thanksforallthefish wrote: | didn't Carter support Mobutu?
bad move, man. |
And this guy named Robert Mugabe. He's currently busy killing off people who might vote for the opposition in the election this week. Let's all hear it for Carter's legacy: nearly thirty years of brutal dictatorship for the people of Zimbabwe.
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Randy
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| Orwell wrote: | | thanksforallthefish wrote: | didn't Carter support Mobutu?
bad move, man. |
And this guy named Robert Mugabe. He's currently busy killing off people who might vote for the opposition in the election this week. Let's all hear it for Carter's legacy: nearly thirty years of brutal dictatorship for the people of Zimbabwe. |
He was also indirectly responsible for the rise of the Ayatollah in Iran, by undermining the Shah. |
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monty
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Orwell wrote: | | thanksforallthefish wrote: | didn't Carter support Mobutu?
bad move, man. |
And this guy named Robert Mugabe. He's currently busy killing off people who might vote for the opposition in the election this week. Let's all hear it for Carter's legacy: nearly thirty years of brutal dictatorship for the people of Zimbabwe. |
But (like many reformers and revolutionaries), Mugabe didn't start off as a total kleptocrat. |
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Tim_Tex
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I chose FDR.
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skafather84
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gamefreak
Quit M$ cold turkey and loving it!!!!
Joined: Dec 31, 2006
Age: 19
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Location: Citrus County, Florida
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Orwell wrote: | | thanksforallthefish wrote: | didn't Carter support Mobutu?
bad move, man. |
And this guy named Robert Mugabe. He's currently busy killing off people who might vote for the opposition in the election this week. Let's all hear it for Carter's legacy: nearly thirty years of brutal dictatorship for the people of Zimbabwe. |
Zimbabwe has nothing to do with America. Yes America helps other countries but they didn't need our help in the late 70's. |
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gamefreak
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TR- Brought the country together after a long depression and helped fight crime and working discrimination. Created the National Park System and started building the Panama Canal. His Downfall was imperialism.
Ranking-4
Taft- Voted on programs he opposed. Was a complete hypocrite. However served his term efficently.
Ranking-15
Wilson- WWI President, Started programs to get america to gang up with other allied countries in the case of an attack.
Ranking-11
Harding- Had a very corrupt administration. Started leading this country down the wrong hole with Pro-Buisness Agenda.
Ranking-17
Coolige- Pro-Buisness agenda started to help the economy by then. However after a couple of years unemployment went up and a depression started. Foolish Mondentary Policy Undeed. If maybe Coolige cracked down on all the greedy buisnessmen illegally cashing of the bull market the depression would have never started.
Ranking-16
Hoover- After Coolige and his fithy rich buddys destroyed the economy. Hoover did nothing. Depression started and he didn't do anything to his last year in office.
Ranking-12
FDR- Help prevent another depression. Started Social Security for the elderly and actually helped the people and not the buisnesses. His actions helped out Europe a lot during WWII.
Ranking- 1
Truman- Created Medicare and Medicaid. Also created Welfare for the disabiled. He also integrated the military and fough for Civil Rights. Howver America hated him due to the Post War Economy and the media targeting his administration as commies.
Ranking- 2
Eisenhower- Created Hghway System and fought for the "Little Rock Nine". Didn't have to do much else.
Ranking-10
JFK- Help stop a nuclear war. Got us into the space race.
Ranking-9
LBJ- Environmental laws and civil rights were his key. 1st to have African Americans in his cabinet. He was also very up front and brought the middle ground in politics. However Vietnam was nothing but nonsense that brought him down. Otherwise Great President.
Ranking-7
Nixon- A political genius that was really good with forgien affairs. However he was morally lacking. Otherwise Good President.
Ranking-14
Ford- Pardoned Nixon,[ Which was a good move due to the money it would cost to convict Nixon.] Started Bringing america together after a long war and was a great, honest, noble man. However was burdened with bad infation and the backlash after the Nixon Pardon.
Ranking-8
Carter- Fully Pardoned Draft Dodgers, Created a Energy Policy still used today during federal emergencies and help stop the flow of Nuclear Weapons. Was also the most honest presidents in recent years. His Downfall was the Iran Hostage Crisis and Poor Economy.
Ranking- 3
Reagan- Conservative president. Started a bunch of programs to combat underage drinking, drugs and sex. Put the Ten Commandments in his speeches and within the Military as a way to see what is n morally right and wrong. He also ended the Cold War. However the Federal Buget and War On Drugs was his downfall.
Ranking- 5
G.H.W. Bush- Falled in his attempt to capture Saddam. However started to fix the Federal Buget issues.
Ranking-13
Clinton- Didn't have to do anything but show support for Gay Rights. The Economy was great and nothing was hapening so he just had to sit back and relax. However the work he and Gore did to integrate the internet into the classroom was phenomenal. He also got less people to freeload off welfare. However he got caught having oral-sex with intern.
Ranking- 6
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Awesomelyglorious
Destroyer of worlds, reaver of souls
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Are the rankings yours?
| Quote: | Harding- Had a very corrupt administration. Started leading this country down the wrong hole with Pro-Buisness Agenda.
Ranking-17 |
The first is definitely true. The 2nd partially so, mostly because of tariffs. His reduction in corporate taxes is not a bad idea at all, even if you are on the left simply because there are issues of the tax falling onto the consumer, and issues of the taxes being inefficient in general.
| Quote: | Coolige- Pro-Buisness agenda started to help the economy by then. However after a couple of years unemployment went up and a depression started. Foolish Mondentary Policy Undeed. If maybe Coolige cracked down on all the greedy buisnessmen illegally cashing of the bull market the depression would have never started.
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Well, actually, foolish monetary policy is an argued idea for why things went bad. There was clearly a deflationary spiral at that time, and the federal reserve was in charge of that. To be honest, I have not heard a lot about illegal activity being the cause of the Great Depression, I have heard of speculation, but not illegality so muh.
| Quote: | Hoover- After Coolige and his fithy rich buddys destroyed the economy. Hoover did nothing. Depression started and he didn't do anything to his last year in office.
Ranking-12 |
Did nothing? That is simply a historical inaccuracy. Hoover tried to avoid actual governmental action in some ways by seeking volunteerism, however, using his bullypulpit is still doing something and can have some impact. He also notably put in place the largest tax hike in American history, one of the more notable tariffs in American history, and really was one of the most active presidencies there was. Heck, wikipedia notes 10 different things Hoover did, and part of Roosevelt's campaign attacked Hoover for his fiscal recklessness.
| Quote: | Reagan- Conservative president. Started a bunch of programs to combat underage drinking, drugs and sex. Put the Ten Commandments in his speeches and within the Military as a way to see what are the right and wrong causes of involment. He also ended the Cold War. However the Federal Buget and War On Drugs was his downfall.
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I don't see why Reagan is ranked so high. I mean, one can argue that his foreign policy with USSR was not terrible, but a lot of his foreign policy was. He also massively increased the federal debt, which is certainly not a good move.
To some extent, I would disagree with the idea of business vs people, I can perhaps see how one might argue that certain policies will create inequality, or perhaps will cause worse working or pay conditions, but in the long run businesses will seek to create economic growth, which means that they will have to increase the supply of goods which makes things better. |
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Ogouferay
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Age: 170
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And now I have Ronnie guarding the doors to the pit leading into the Sigil Chambers down here. Good thing too, because I couldn't trust him trying to keep those demons under control; everytime he went for a leak they got out and ran for Congress. Some of them are still up there, wreaking havoc. Take George Dubya for example......
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BazzaMcKenzie
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What's wrong with William McKinley?
William McKinley, Jr. (January 29, 1843 – September 14, 1901) was the twenty-fifth President of the United States, and the last veteran of the American Civil War to be elected.
McKinley presided over a return to prosperity after the Panic of 1893 and was reelected in 1900 after another intense campaign against Bryan, this one focused on foreign policy. As president, he fought the Spanish-American War. McKinley for months resisted the public demand for war, which was based on news of Spanish atrocities in Cuba, but was unable to get Spain to agree to implement reforms immediately. Later he annexed the Philippines, Puerto Rico, and Guam, as well as Hawaii, and set up a protectorate over Cuba. He was assassinated by Leon Czolgosz, an anarchist, and succeeded by Theodore Roosevelt.
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Ogouferay
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Er, Bazza, they are talking about the 20th century there. Roosevelt was the first president then. Unlike some places, American tend to say the turn of the century was 1901. Therefore, McKinley isn't counted. Dubya didn't take office til 2001, so he isn't counted either.
Oh well, all we need is George H W and Blowjob Bill, and there'll be plenty of them down in hell to keep the demons under control.
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BazzaMcKenzie
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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^ I always thought 1901 was in the 20th century 
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Ogouferay
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Whoever made th poll obviously didn't consider McKinley to be worthy of a mention.
And yes, the 20th century did start at 1/1/1900.
I think we are waiting on Jimmy down here, but someone in our records dept says that the other one may have got him. Either that, or Babayagoth is still processing his application to get out of the recreant vault.
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Sargon
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And yes, the 20th century did start at 1/1/1900.
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No, the 20th century did not start until 1901, just as the "new millennium" did not start until 2001.
Anyways, I've been wondering, for those that say "FDR prevented/helped the depression", what is your logic for believing that (or who rank FDR at #1)? The most common explanation people seem to give that I've interacted with is they've been told that, and that's what they believe without questioning or looking into it. For you all, what policies exactly implemented by FDR helped get the U.S. out of the depression? Also, if you can, try an answer the question, "Does this answer make logical sense considering basic economics?" (i.e., you can't just say X policy helped Y people, and this is good because Y people were suffering. There are lots of potential policies that makes some people better off, but that does not mean they are good policies or there are good arguments for them). |
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