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| Who is the Greatest U.S President of the 20th Century |
| Clinton |
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4% |
[ 3 ] |
| George H.W Bush |
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1% |
[ 1 ] |
| Ronald Reagan |
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16% |
[ 11 ] |
| Jimmy Carter |
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7% |
[ 5 ] |
| Gerald Ford |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Richard Nixon |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Lyndon B Johnson |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| John Fitzgerald Kennedy |
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6% |
[ 4 ] |
| Dwight Eisenhower |
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1% |
[ 1 ] |
| Harry Truman |
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3% |
[ 2 ] |
| Franklin Delano Roosevelt |
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28% |
[ 19 ] |
| Herbert Hoover |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Calvin Coolidge |
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7% |
[ 5 ] |
| Warren G Harding |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Woodrow Wilson |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| William Taft |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Theodore Roosevelt |
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22% |
[ 15 ] |
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Orwell
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| Sargon wrote: | | Quote: |
And yes, the 20th century did start at 1/1/1900.
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No, the 20th century did not start until 1901, just as the "new millennium" did not start until 2001.
Anyways, I've been wondering, for those that say "FDR prevented/helped the depression", what is your logic for believing that (or who rank FDR at #1)? The most common explanation people seem to give that I've interacted with is they've been told that, and that's what they believe without questioning or looking into it. For you all, what policies exactly implemented by FDR helped get the U.S. out of the depression? Also, if you can, try an answer the question, "Does this answer make logical sense considering basic economics?" (i.e., you can't just say X policy helped Y people, and this is good because Y people were suffering. There are lots of potential policies that makes some people better off, but that does not mean they are good policies or there are good arguments for them). |
The real confusion I see here is how FDR "prevented" a depression or helped us "recover" from one. Those are simply inaccurate statements. We were in a severe depression throughout FDR's entire ridiculously long reign as wanna-be dictator. We had experienced depressions before, but never had they lasted so long, and a depression SHOULDN'T last that long. FDR's policies actually contributed to keeping our economy stagnant.
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Awesomelyglorious
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| No u r rong Orwell. FDR wuz GAWD!!! HE SAVED US ALL FROM TEH NOTSEES!! |
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Ogouferay
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Sargon wrote: | | Quote: |
And yes, the 20th century did start at 1/1/1900.
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No, the 20th century did not start until 1901, just as the "new millennium" did not start until 2001.
Anyways, I've been wondering, for those that say "FDR prevented/helped the depression", what is your logic for believing that (or who rank FDR at #1)? The most common explanation people seem to give that I've interacted with is they've been told that, and that's what they believe without questioning or looking into it. For you all, what policies exactly implemented by FDR helped get the U.S. out of the depression? Also, if you can, try an answer the question, "Does this answer make logical sense considering basic economics?" (i.e., you can't just say X policy helped Y people, and this is good because Y people were suffering. There are lots of potential policies that makes some people better off, but that does not mean they are good policies or there are good arguments for them). |
Well I guess you must have had a wow of a time celebrating the new millenium on your own. Considering everyone else partied hard at the end of 1999. Still, you'd have had plenty of beer and pretzels. Unfortunately no-one to talk to, but hey, thats what happens when you don'[t keep up with current events.... 
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Orwell
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Ogouferay wrote: | | Sargon wrote: | | Quote: |
And yes, the 20th century did start at 1/1/1900.
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No, the 20th century did not start until 1901, just as the "new millennium" did not start until 2001.
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Well I guess you must have had a wow of a time celebrating the new millenium on your own. Considering everyone else partied hard at the end of 1999. Still, you'd have had plenty of beer and pretzels. Unfortunately no-one to talk to, but hey, thats what happens when you don'[t keep up with current events.... |
There was no year 0, buddy. You can go to a party without it having to be officially the start of the next millennium.
But I've never been much for parties anyways.
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Sargon
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:42 am Post subject: |
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Well I guess you must have had a wow of a time celebrating the new millenium on your own. Considering everyone else partied hard at the end of 1999. Still, you'd have had plenty of beer and pretzels. Unfortunately no-one to talk to, but hey, thats what happens when you don'[t keep up with current events.... |
Yes, the masses may have considered 2000 to be the beginning of the new millennium, but just because they thought it was, it doesn't mean it was. Believing a false to be true does not make it true, it only makes one ignorant. At any rate, the "new year" is really just an arbitrary calender holiday, I don't really see why people feel the need to celebrate it to the extent they do.
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The real confusion I see here is how FDR "prevented" a depression or helped us "recover" from one. Those are simply inaccurate statements. We were in a severe depression throughout FDR's entire ridiculously long reign as wanna-be dictator. We had experienced depressions before, but never had they lasted so long, and a depression SHOULDN'T last that long. FDR's policies actually contributed to keeping our economy stagnant. |
Of course most people who lean libertarian or studied the Great Depression are aware of this, but it seems to me people here do not acknowledge that fact. Interestingly (or perhaps not depending on your viewpoint), I haven't really seen anyone counter this argument effectively (usually the subject suddenly becomes "well, he saved us from the Nazis). |
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Orwell
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| Sargon wrote: | | Quote: |
The real confusion I see here is how FDR "prevented" a depression or helped us "recover" from one. Those are simply inaccurate statements. We were in a severe depression throughout FDR's entire ridiculously long reign as wanna-be dictator. We had experienced depressions before, but never had they lasted so long, and a depression SHOULDN'T last that long. FDR's policies actually contributed to keeping our economy stagnant. |
Of course most people who lean libertarian or studied the Great Depression are aware of this, but it seems to me people here do not acknowledge that fact. Interestingly (or perhaps not depending on your viewpoint), I haven't really seen anyone counter this argument effectively (usually the subject suddenly becomes "well, he saved us from the Nazis). |
No one ever has countered this point because it really can not be disputed unless you simply deny history. Under FDR, we had the longest-lasting depression in our history and his policies produced no discernible positive effect on the economy. Some people who I've pointed this out to make vague comments about how he "got people working again" (through things like TVA, WPA, CCC, but we still had high unemployment) or else say something completely unmeasurable about the country's "morale" or "trust." I say bull. FDR was one of the worst presidents in our history, if not the worst.
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Sargon
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:21 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | No one ever has countered this point because it really can not be disputed unless you simply deny history. |
In that case, it seems quite a few people deny history then (I would guess 30% of the people who voted in this post in fact)....
| Quote: | | FDR- Help prevent another depression. |
| Quote: | | FDR - got America out of the depression by getting them into the war. |
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FDR for he pulled us out of the Great Depression and WWII. |
| Quote: | | 1. FDR- Ended the Geat Depression and WWII, Also created the New Deal which furthermore made our government and economy more structured and civillized. Which also made it where economic hardships like the great depression will not effect us as badly as it used to 100 years ago. |
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Orwell
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^Indeed. It actually is almost amusing to see some of the things people wrote about FDR in this thread- such as how he (in one of the quotes you mentioned) "pulled us out of...WWII." Really? I'm pretty sure FDR was dead before WWII ended. And "preventing another depression." Well, we had a continuous depression throughout his entire presidency. What was there to prevent? "Getting us out of the Depression." Um, no. We were still in a depression when FDR died. Our economy didn't fully recover until after the war.
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