Ancalagon
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| skafather84 wrote: | | Ancalagon wrote: | | Anything along the lines that you suggest simply would not happen, and if he tried, he'd be done. |
define "done". |
That would depend on which drastic action he (theoretically) took. There are checks and balances in the constitution for a reason.
But because he's already pushed things farther than most US citizens would like (understatement), he's not going to get any support from his party, congress, etc. So it's unlikely an event like you describe would happen in the first place.
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skafather84
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Orwell wrote: | Any attempt to extend a ruler's time in office beyond the legal term should be responded to with assassination. Any attempt to start violent conflicts should meet with indictment and trial for war crimes.
Now that I'm done with generalities, to the specifics: Bush will leave office peacefully at the appointed day and leave the next President (most likely Obama) messes in Iraq and in the domestic economy to clean up. |
what if he foots obama with iran as well?
what if israel initiates it and we have to go in to back israel?
there's a few different scenarios and a lot of the posturing that the administration is doing with iran right now almost mirrors iraq.
speaking of war crimes....well i guess that'd be another subject but how is bush NOT being tried for war crimes? |
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LTP
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Ancalagon wrote: | | skafather84 wrote: | | Ancalagon wrote: | | Anything along the lines that you suggest simply would not happen, and if he tried, he'd be done. |
define "done". |
That would depend on which drastic action he (theoretically) took. There are checks and balances in the constitution for a reason.
But because he's already pushed things farther than most US citizens would like (understatement), he's not going to get any support from his party, congress, etc. So it's unlikely an event like you describe would happen in the first place. |
I think it would be relatively easy to gain the publics support for a war in Iran. Anti-middle eastern feelings already have a pretty firm grip here a lot of people view 9/11 as proof that all middle-eastern people are crazed fanatical jihadists. Most people can not find Iran on a map or pronounce it properly. I'm afraid a lot of U.S. sentiments amount to kill the evil arabs. We don't differentiate between Saudi Arabians or Iraqis we just see people in strange clothings speaking a strange language who are part of a religion that wants to kill us all down to the last women, man and child. Is this true? Of course not but as long as we perceive that as the truth the end result will be the same. |
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Awesomelyglorious
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| What could I do? The powers go forward as they care to, and those beneath them have either rebellion or ignoring as their options. Unless I care to be a rebel for a cause that is hardly mine, why should I do anything but ignore the nonsense? My will does nothing unless I choose terrible costs. |
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Bluesummers
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This is what happens when you depend upon a spoiled capitalism based government/society. Deal with it, the bigwigs have dug their roots in too deep.
"Land of the free." HAH!
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LTP
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| You do have power as a citizen. You can vote for people who support your beliefs. You can write letters to senators, congressmen etc. You can attend meetings, you can stage rallies you can write a book. There are thousands of things you can do to make a difference. |
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Awesomelyglorious
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| Bluesummers wrote: | This is what happens when you depend upon a spoiled capitalism based government/society. Deal with it, the bigwigs have dug their roots in too deep.
"Land of the free." HAH! |
This is what you get when you deal with a government/any legitimized power structure. Hierarchy is a very common human characteristic, and for thousands of years we have had unchallengeable big wigs, I think usually less and each having more power in the system but big wigs all the same.
What is freedom? Our people killing those you've never met hardly impinges upon you. Perhaps some with the cost, but most people tolerate their own version of acceptable social cost anyway. |
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Fred2670
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| LTP wrote: | | Quote: | | Only if the country is Mexico |
Where are the mods? If thats not racist i don't know what is. |
America's problems with Mexico are
with its government and not its people
regardless of what race they are.
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Speckles
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| skafather84 wrote: | | what if he foots obama with iran as well? |
Obama has already said that he's willing to negotiate. There's a good chance that he'd try to call a cease-fire and come up with some kind of appeasement gesture, as an apology for Bush going insane. IMO this wouldn't be weakness; there's times when appeasement is a valid strategy.
| Quote: | | what if israel initiates it and we have to go in to back israel? |
Well, if Israel initiates the war, then that gives the US a good reason to back out of the alliance. All they'd have to do is draw a parallel to the start of World War One, and most of the world would be supportive. And the fury of the Zionist movement for abandoning Israel wouldn't be able to match the anger that would be caused by a draft, which is the only way the US could get enough troops to fight another war.
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Awesomelyglorious
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| LTP wrote: | | There are thousands of things you can do to make a difference. |
And most of them failures. |
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dtoxic
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| If Bush pulls anything like that, which I find unlikely, I would riot and quickly be killed or imprisoned. |
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Orwell
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Awesomelyglorious wrote: | | LTP wrote: | | There are thousands of things you can do to make a difference. |
And most of them failures. |
"Most?" I never knew you were such an optimist.
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Awesomelyglorious
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Orwell wrote: |
"Most?" I never knew you were such an optimist. |
Well, I could not simply dismiss them *all* as having to fail, so the difference between all and the majority is most. |
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LTP
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Awesomelyglorious wrote: | | Orwell wrote: |
"Most?" I never knew you were such an optimist. |
Well, I could not simply dismiss them *all* as having to fail, so the difference between all and the majority is most. |
What about the women's suffrage movement? Or black civil rights or labor unions or countless other changes started by citizens putting pressure on politicians. It's an uphill battle but hardly impossible. We can't expect everything to be handed to us. If we want changes in our political system we have to actually do something about it. |
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Awesomelyglorious
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| LTP wrote: |
What about the women's suffrage movement? Or black civil rights or labor unions or countless other changes started by citizens putting pressure on politicians. It's an uphill battle but hardly impossible. We can't expect everything to be handed to us. If we want changes in our political system we have to actually do something about it. |
The issue is where you get "we" from "me". Yes, you can do a lot if you have a ton of people, but most people do not have a ton of people behind them and are likely to never get a ton of people no matter how hard they fight for any cause. |
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