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slowmutant
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I am pro-life, but I believe it should mean the encouragement of all life, not just the mother's or the child's.
Is pro-life anti-woman? Hell no. Pro-life is pro-human. The "pro-choice" position does not aspire to morality. The choice is free, but that does not make it ethical. Pro-life should extend far beyond the abortion issue, into every aspect of society. For pro-life to truly do what it says on the label, we should become a much more compassionate people. |
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just-me
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I have wondered this point quite a bit in the past, I stand by the conclusion I first came to. Its the mothers decision. We dont , and couldent possibly know every thing that is going on around her and in her head.
She has a right to do what she wishes. This could swing both ways. What if she were going to die if she had the child?
Should she be forced to have the child and die?
This is my view, I beleve it is her choice and hers alone.
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can a 11-year-old girl carry a pregnancy to full term without risking her own health? not to mention the emotional stress? - just two questions here before adoption is raised as an alternative.
another thing is that as incest occurred, there are high chances of a genetic problem and a retarded baby. which would then of course make him/her the ideal candidate for adoption, right?
I am against abortion, normally. but this case is so abnormal that I cannot really see the chance for anything good coming out of it for either the young mother (a girl, not a woman!), or the baby. |
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just-me
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| firelily wrote: | can a 11-year-old girl carry a pregnancy to full term without risking her own health? not to mention the emotional stress? - just two questions here before adoption is raised as an alternative.
another thing is that as incest occurred, there are high chances of a genetic problem and a retarded baby. which would then of course make him/her the ideal candidate for adoption, right?
I am against abortion, normally. but this case is so abnormal that I cannot really see the chance for anything good coming out of it for either the young mother (a girl, not a woman!), or the baby. |
Very true.
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Since when can an eleven year-old girl conceive? 
She must have hit puberty really early, this kid. |
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I once heard that each generation of girls get their first period earlier then their mothers. I am not sure if it's true or not, but if it is, then the girl's mother must have had her first period at a young age too.
One of my cousins had hers when she was in the 4th grade, and they did not learn anything about body-changes of that nature yet, so when she wen't to the bathroom and saw blood on her underwear, she was quite scared.
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If the little girl stays pregnant, she can die while delivering that baby because of her young age. When I was 15 I heard this story about this 11 year old girl who was pregnant with twins (this happened in the early 80's in Billings, MT) and she died while she was giving birth to them. The twins lived. I heard pregnancy is hard on kids, even while they are delivering them. But teens seem to do fine with it.
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| slowmutant wrote: | Since when can an eleven year-old girl conceive?
She must have hit puberty really early, this kid. |
I hit puberty at nine. My nipples started to stick out further from my chest.
I have seen an 8 year old with breasts. Even a seven year old can have them too. I have read that puberty is starting at a younger age. There is even precocious puberty. It when kids enter it too young. Like there has been a 5 year old who was having her period. When I was 10 I learned about periods, girls can start it young as nine but my mother told me that only happens to a very few girls at that age. I have heard about an eight year old getting their period. I can't remember which WP member said she got hers at that age.
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| Kamex wrote: | | sartresue wrote: | A traumatic topic
I agree with the allowing of the abortion. This pregnancy was spawned by rape should never have gone that far. 
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That's the Uncle's fault, not the fault of the fetus. I think there are plenty of children of rapes out there living today who would disagree with your opinion of them.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11222-worlds-most-premature-baby-set-to-leave-hospital.html
That's what a 21-week fetus is like. That's what is going to be killed, if he/she hasn't been already. The butchering of this fetus is not going to fix anything. |
Can't they just cut the baby out of the girls' tummy and then try to save the baby? There, the baby has not been aborted, and the girl isn't endangered with her health. Pregnancy is hard on girls that young.
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| slowmutant wrote: | No, that would be monstrous. The very act of aborting a pregnancy is monstrous, regardless of motive or justification. Children already out of the womb and a few years old are tortured, abused and even murdered by their parents. Sometimes it's called homocide, depending on the scenario.
Protectinng reproductive rights would not be such a bitter pill for me to swallow if it didn't always come at the cost of another life. Abortion is a touchy subject for me because women seem more concerned with themselves and their own whims. Abortion is taken much too lightly my taste. There isn't nearly enough responsibility. |
Yeah let the 11 year old die when she is having the baby. 
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| I personally believe that abortion is wrong no matter what the circumstances are. Dawn |
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slowmutant
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| Chibi_Neko wrote: | I once heard that each generation of girls get their first period earlier then their mothers. I am not sure if it's true or not, but if it is, then the girl's mother must have had her first period at a young age too.
One of my cousins had hers when she was in the 4th grade, and they did not learn anything about body-changes of that nature yet, so when she wen't to the bathroom and saw blood on her underwear, she was quite scared. |
If this is literally true, how far would the regression go before toddlers are experiencing a grotesque first menses? Or even further? |
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| catlover02 wrote: | | I personally believe that abortion is wrong no matter what the circumstances are. Dawn |
Thank you, Dawn. It's nice to know that my side of this debate isn't exclusively male. |
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As someone who was raped at twelve, and suffered a miscarriage -
I think abortion is awful and something you should never, EVER take lightly. But we have to remember that this little girl is eleven years old, and her body is not designed to carry a baby. Her mind is not prepared for it.
No, the baby shouldn't take the punishment for the uncle's actions. But we can't stop what is being done about it. That's the way it's going down, and we should still hold this girl in our hearts for what she has been through.
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| Quote: | | I have seen an 8 year old with breasts. Even a seven year old can have them too. I have read that puberty is starting at a younger age. There is even precocious puberty. It when kids enter it too young. Like there has been a 5 year old who was having her period. When I was 10 I learned about periods, girls can start it young as nine but my mother told me that only happens to a very few girls at that age. I have heard about an eight year old getting their period. I can't remember which WP member said she got hers at that age. |
These would be freak occurences, like people walking around with bits of their parasitic twin embedded in their anatomy. Are you encouraged by the thought of a five-year-old girl menstruating? Abberations like this are frightening.  |
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