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Chibi_Neko
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The youngest mother on record is Lina Medina, she was pregnant at age 5. She never told anyone the circumstances of her pregnancy. Rape is assumed.
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slowmutant
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| The assumed age must have been wrong. This is not humanly possible. |
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Aurore
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| Chibi_Neko wrote: | | The youngest mother on record is Lina Medina, she was pregnant at age 5. She never told anyone the circumstances of her pregnancy. Rape is assumed. |
It's possible, sadly - genetic aberrations can lead to sexual maturity at that young an age.
But I doubt she survived it intact.
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slowmutant
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How could a human female with undeveloped sexual organs conceive a child? It's not possible. Maybe the person was an adult female dwarf who, because of her tiny stature stature, was mistaken for a child. That could happen.
This is National Enquirer material.
People will believe this yet scoff at the existence of God? Go figure. |
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Aurore
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| slowmutant wrote: | How could a human female with undeveloped sexual organs conceive a child? It's not possible. Maybe the person was an adult female dwarf who, because of her tiny stature stature, was mistaken for a child. That could happen.
This is National Enquirer material.
People will believe this yet scoff at the existence of God? Go figure. |
People are scared at the concept of God. They want to think this is not a test. I honestly don't know what to think.
The article all this is coming from I believe is "Five-and-Half-Year-Old Mother and Baby Reported Doing Well," from the Los Angeles Times. The problem is, it's a story from 1939, and I have an inkling there was little fact-checking going on around that time.
Plus I had to go through Wikipedia to find it.
The thing about people having gone through puberty at such a young age is true. But I'm starting to doubt pregnancy was really possible.
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slowmutant
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd hate to think it was possible at age 5. That's too young to even know what sex is. |
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Escuerd
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| slowmutant wrote: | How could a human female with undeveloped sexual organs conceive a child? It's not possible. Maybe the person was an adult female dwarf who, because of her tiny stature stature, was mistaken for a child. That could happen.
This is National Enquirer material.
People will believe this yet scoff at the existence of God? Go figure. |
Some people's sexual organs develop much earlier than others. The name given to this is "precocious puberty". It can be caused by genetic abnormalities, environmental hormonal exposures, tumors, etc. Also, the probability distribution for when puberty begins is not known exactly, but the upper and lower tails range pretty far from the mean. Some people are very early and some are very late, and with the large size of the world's population, many will fall into both categories.
I'm amazed that people could be aware (well presumably, anyway) of some of the incredible variations that are documented in the human (or just about any other well-studied) species, and be so certain that a variation that's merely quantitative is categorically impossible. Are there any biological reasons you can name why such a variation in the age of menarche is "impossible" (other than that you've never heard of such a thing elsewhere)? It may seem incredible or unlikely, but it appears that the Lina Medina case was confirmed (at least according to one major French medical journal, which is hardly the same as the National Enquirer).
Interestingly, I've noticed that [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers]many of the youngest people to give birth[/link] have been from countries in the Andes mountain range (Peru, Bolivia, Chile), and I wonder if there's some mutation that's more common in Andinos than other populations that could be related to this. |
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slowmutant
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| Hmmm. Maybe it has something to do with the altitude of being in the mountains. Something about the air, the water. How many possible causes are we looking at here? |
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Aurore
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| Escuerd wrote: | | slowmutant wrote: | How could a human female with undeveloped sexual organs conceive a child? It's not possible. Maybe the person was an adult female dwarf who, because of her tiny stature stature, was mistaken for a child. That could happen.
This is National Enquirer material.
People will believe this yet scoff at the existence of God? Go figure. |
Some people's sexual organs develop much earlier than others. The name given to this is "precocious puberty". It can be caused by genetic abnormalities, environmental hormonal exposures, tumors, etc. Also, the probability distribution for when puberty begins is not known exactly, but the upper and lower tails range pretty far from the mean. Some people are very early and some are very late, and with the large size of the world's population, many will fall into both categories.
I'm amazed that people could be aware (well presumably, anyway) of some of the incredible variations that are documented in the human (or just about any other well-studied) species, and be so certain that a variation that's merely quantitative is categorically impossible. Are there any biological reasons you can name why such a variation in the age of menarche is "impossible" (other than that you've never heard of such a thing elsewhere)? It may seem incredible or unlikely, but it appears that the Lina Medina case was confirmed (at least according to one major French medical journal, which is hardly the same as the National Enquirer).
Interestingly, I've noticed that [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers]many of the youngest people to give birth[/link] have been from countries in the Andes mountain range (Peru, Bolivia, Chile), and I wonder if there's some mutation that's more common in Andinos than other populations that could be related to this. |
If it's confirmed, I'll take it as true. I was just worried about the logistics.
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How woud a five-year old cope with the physical trauma of menstruation?  |
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Chibi_Neko
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This is a confirmed case, people have thought it to be a hoax, but this is true. While this is case is highly unusual, it is not impossible because there are so many factors in play that can make it possible.
The baby was delivered by c-cection, a natrual birth would most likely have killed her.
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Demonique
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| Chewbockers wrote: | | 21 weeks is too far along. It's a terrible tragedy but how is killing a child going to help its mother get over the trauma of being raped? it would be like getting raped again. |
Unless you've experienced both rape AND abortion, what would you know about abortion being like rape? |
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Demonique
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| slowmutant wrote: | I will spell it out for all you meatheads on WP
A- D- O- P- T- I- O- N
No baby-killing is necessary. How many infertile couples would give anything to have a baby of their own?
No, this wholeslaughter of fetuses is nonsense given how would-be parents live & breathe out there. Celebrity adopters really put it in our faces, just how kids need homes and families in this world.
Infanticide is serious and should not be performed to make someone's less a little less complicated.
Murder is a choice, sure it is. But is it the right one? |
Yes, there are plenty of children waiting for good homes who will never get homes because people want the cute little BAYBEEZ.
Maybe those infertile couples should adopt an older child instead of waiting around for a baby that may never come, they should remember its about giving a home to a needy child and not fulfilling their own wishes |
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Demonique
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| slowmutant wrote: | Since when can an eleven year-old girl conceive? 
She must have hit puberty really early, this kid. |
Since when can a five year old conceive? Yet it has happened, the youngest mother on record conceived when she was five |
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