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CanyonWind
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I've never felt comfortable with the term "high functioning."
Like I can take a shower and dress myself and go to work, and there's a few topics I can intelligently discuss with an expert, but I find it impossible to function at all as a normal human being.
There ain't nobody lower functioning than me. How do you get lower than zero?
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| CanyonWind wrote: | I've never felt comfortable with the term "high functioning."
Like I can take a shower and dress myself and go to work, and there's a few topics I can intelligently discuss with an expert, but I find it impossible to function at all as a normal human being.
There ain't nobody lower functioning than me. How do you get lower than zero? |
I think that's the 2nd revolution after defining how AS related to kanner's. How to make the idea of function labels sensible and real.
Like, 1 step at a time.
I think professionals will be shocked about the idea to do away with AS already. Some see it as very differently from other forms of autism.
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Jeyradan
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I like the idea of being "stealth" anything. Not that AS is, you know, very... stealthy.
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The_Cucumber
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| CanyonWind wrote: | I've never felt comfortable with the term "high functioning."
Like I can take a shower and dress myself and go to work, and there's a few topics I can intelligently discuss with an expert, but I find it impossible to function at all as a normal human being.
There ain't nobody lower functioning than me. How do you get lower than zero? |
HFA means you are high-functioning in comparison to other autistic individuals, not the general population.
Regardless. I'd say the best choice for Asperger's Syndrome is probable Early-onset HFA. Since it can be easily distinguished from LFA at a younger age then HFA.
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CanyonWind
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I'm not an expert on this stuff, but I've got major doubts about whether I've got the same condition as people with autism, and I'm not convinced I'm somewhere on some "spectrum."
I'm not slamming those other people. I don't have the same condition as people with deafness, but I'm not superior to deaf people.
I'm absolutely sure of one thing. I don't have anything in common with somebody who has nothing to do with other people because they don't want to.
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Danielismyname
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The only defining behavioural characteristics are social behaviours: those with Asperger's are usually more active, whereas those with Kanner's are socially withdrawn (one-sided to no-sided for the most part). This is as of now, and many experts are moving away from speech and cognitive delays as defining characteristics of both, as Kanner and Asperger both had individuals with and without such.
There's a problem however, as Hans had individuals who were socially withdrawn.
Experts will say it's good to keep the label to give to those who're less severely affected by "Autism", but there's a problem with this, as there's no set international criteria for Asperger's, so across borders it's defined differently, and within Asperger's are people who're just as affected by their "Autism" as those with Kanner's. Superficially they may appear better off, but not in reality.
They'll also say that it's a less confronting label than Autism is to parents, and that's good, as long as those with Asperger's can receive the same services as those with an Autism one.
"Functioning" is an arbitrary term that's only really of use for comparisons within the diagnosable population, as to be diagnosed one needs to be "severe" compared to normal people, so no matter how "mild" they may be to the "severe" cases, they're still "severe" compared to "normal" people.
Using showering as an example, someone with Kanner's may not like water due to sensory sensitivities, but someone with Asperger's may not have the time to do such as their time is completely taken by their interest. Who is more severe? The child who can only talk to others by reiterating factual knowledge, who has Asperger's, but the child with Autism who repeats a jingle as their mode of [social] communication. Which is more severe? The effects are the same. |
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Just autism. I actually don't like the name "Asperger" at all. I find it so harsh and aesthetically unpleasing. I don't really like derivations of the name, either, such as "aspergian" or "aspie." It's something about the combination of letters. Though I'm often guilty of saying "Asperger's Syndrome" when I disclose, I think "autistic" is more accurate and descriptive. A lot of people don't even know what AS is. It does seem like one of the main purposes is to make parents and other people feel better. In practice, professionals haven't distinguished it from autism very well. Also, people sometimes don't receive the services they need because their diagnosis is AS, not autism. Some simplification of the terminology is in order.
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Willard
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| Lene wrote: | | Social Dyslexia |
I like that - I think that might be easier for most NTs to wrap their heads around. People sort of understand Dyslexia. Asperger of course is more complex, but the name does need a sort of conceptual shorthand for others to be able to grasp what it means.
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| slowmutant wrote: | | CanyonWind wrote: | | I called it "Repulsive Personality Syndrome." |
That's a good one. Very straightforward. |
No, that's a disorder entirely separate from AS.
Sort of like AS + ASS. Not saying some here don't have BOTH...
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I'd prefer something that doesn't sound exactly like ass burgers, And don't really like syndrome either, sounds like a disease.
Someone might think you were describing a condition where you compulsively shove hamburgers up your ass, yuck. (Hey, that's how it sounds.)
No real suggestions though, but Social Dyslexia sounds okay. |
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Angnix
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 I have "know it all syndrome" for sure. In a dream I had "orange peel syndrome"
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| Quote: | cognitively delayed
dexicognition
spazburgers
differently abled
socially befuddled
awkwardly abled
hyperpedanticity |
I dont think hyperpedanticity could be used for Aspergers, I don't have Asperger's but I definately have that one!  |
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pakled
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How about George?...
Maybe high-steppin'... |
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Reodor_Felgen
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| Mage wrote: | | High-functioning Autism seems the most descriptive. It's autism, but at a higher functioning level. I never use Asperger's or PDD-NOS when describing myself, I always use HFA. |
High-functioning autism is not a diagnosis in the DSM-IV, nor the ICD-10. Like Danielismyname already said, it's possible to be "HFA" (as in 'less autistic') and at the same time have a mental retardation (which always affects the level of functioning). It's also possible to be "LFA" (I hate this term), and at the same time be very intelligent.
Apart from the speech delay (it's usually a delay rather than a lack thereof), people with high-functioning autism have stronger sensory issues than those with Asperger's. Keep in mind that the people with Kanner's autism without mental retardation (regardless of level of functioning) are just as intelligent as people with AS or neurotypicality.
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