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slowmutant
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| Digger: Were you a baby and then a man? |
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Jaunty
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To be sure, of course he was. He evolved, like the rest of us (though I'm not sure about that gnome across the street there, he looks like he just popped out yesterday). That Flying Spaghetti Monster, would he be the Bolognese man, or is his name Alfredo?
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Speckles
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I like your interpretation of the Bible being the word of God, slowmutant. I've read the bible, and actually found it pretty thought provoking, though if every part is taken literally it's nonsensical.
In my opinion, if there is a god as you describe, he might be disappointed when people insist that the whole bible is absolute fact, and that none of it is metaphor or human confusion. Do we really have to be spoon-fed all the answers? The challenge of navigating between doubt and faith to uncover my own truth is, for me, a truer form of worship. God shouldn't be easy.
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digger1
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| slowmutant wrote: | | Digger: Were you a baby and then a man? |
noo...
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slowmutant
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| Speckles wrote: | I like your interpretation of the Bible being the word of God, slowmutant. I've read the bible, and actually found it pretty thought provoking, though if every part is taken literally it's nonsensical.
In my opinion, if there is a god as you describe, he might be disappointed when people insist that the whole bible is absolute fact, and that none of it is metaphor or human confusion. Do we really have to be spoon-fed all the answers? The challenge of navigating between doubt and faith to uncover my own truth is, for me, a truer form of worship. God shouldn't be easy. |
I agree and I appreciate your comments. Very nicely written. Do you think false faith is the only kind of faith that comes easily? I'm not sure if faith has to hard-fought, necessarily. This is the type of discussion I was hoping to have. |
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makuranososhi
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Can I ask which version of the Bible we are addressing? There are variants that use other books in addition or as alternatives, so I would like to be sure which version is being discussed.
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slowmutant
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| Quote: | Which version?
The one with letters and words and pages. |
By this I mean to indicate that all versions are very similar and it doesn't much matter which version you choose. They are all known as the Holy Bible.
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makuranososhi
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Wikipedia Quick Reference - Books of the Bible
Wikipedia Quick Reference - Differences in Translation
I'm being lazy, and I acknowledge beforehand that Wiki is not gospel (...) and may have errors and omissions. The gist of the differences remains the same. There are several translations, and several variations depending on various sects and selections over centuries. The question remains: which Bible are we talking about? Something more productive than letters, words and pages would be appreciated... as that seems to be pretty consistent between them all.
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n4mwd
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| slowmutant wrote: | | Quote: | | Conspicuously missing was His mischievous teen years. What everyone wants to know is just how many of His school teachers got turned into goats? How many, if any, girls did He shag while floating in mid air? How come His girlfriend was a hooker? A lot of people blame the Catholic Church for withholding these books of the Bible. |
Jesus is not Harry Potter or Bart Simpson or some prepubescent superhero. 
Shagging in midair? Please.
I think this whole discussion has been lost on you. |
Then why were the teen years censored? There must be something there that the church does not want us to see. |
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digger1
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I'm sure most of you know that the bible wasn't written by Jesus but by some people who devoted their lives to his teachings - sometimes seveal hundred years after Jesus supposedly died.
And everyone knows there are different versions of the bible.
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Jaunty
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Especially the part where he romanced that wee colleen, what was her name.... Mary, a foine Oirish name if ever Oi've come across one. Oh how her heart was broken when he was hung up on that cross, with his blood spillin' out and... oooh, it 's makin' me feel a bit woosy. I think Oi'll need a good dose of Guinness and a lie down.
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Speckles
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| slowmutant wrote: | | I agree and I appreciate your comments. Very nicely written. Do you think false faith is the only kind of faith that comes easily? I'm not sure if faith has to hard-fought, necessarily. This is the type of discussion I was hoping to have. |
Hmm, I find this question difficult to answer. For me at least, my connection to god is very much a personal thing. I can name that my faith has been a struggle, though in the end rewarding. Maybe someone else might find more meaning in relaxing and simply accepting the divine, instead of restlessly fighting with it. It seems reasonable to me; my truth may not be someone else's truth.
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Speckles
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| n4mwd wrote: | | slowmutant wrote: | | Quote: | | Conspicuously missing was His mischievous teen years. What everyone wants to know is just how many of His school teachers got turned into goats? How many, if any, girls did He shag while floating in mid air? How come His girlfriend was a hooker? A lot of people blame the Catholic Church for withholding these books of the Bible. |
Jesus is not Harry Potter or Bart Simpson or some prepubescent superhero.
Shagging in midair? Please.
I think this whole discussion has been lost on you. |
Then why were the teen years censored? There must be something there that the church does not want us to see. |
I don't know if they were censored so much as considered less important. Jesus's birth was important, since it fulfilled a prophecy, so it would make sense to write about that. His ministry as an adult is also obviously important, as well as his death. But maybe his childhood years simply weren't considered important. It might also have been something that Jesus was private about - his disciples, the supposed biographers, didn't meet him until adulthood if I remember correctly.
Also, some of the gnostic gospels from the dead sea scrolls have stories about his childhood. From what I've been told, it's true that they aren't all that flattering, but I don't actually know since I've never looked into it myself.
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slowmutant
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| Considering who He is, Jesus' childhood years are not important. We are to understand that he grew up in his father's carpentry business. Speculations are irrelevant, I guess. |
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makuranososhi
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| slowmutant wrote: | | Quote: | Which version?
The one with letters and words and pages. |
By this I mean to indicate that all versions are very similar and it doesn't much matter which version you choose. They are all known as the Holy Bible. |
I think it does. Certain books contradict each other; some are specific, others vague. Some featured the role of women as subservient while others placed them in higher esteem. It is also relevant when a book with many versions has been produced, as there are some marked differences in translation choices. Not absolute truth, only some understanding.
I find the book to be an excellent collection of parables, doused heavily in fiction and propaganda. I don't know find any indication to me that such a tome was or is 'the word of god' anymore than the book the Mormon's espouse as fact. It confuses the hell out of me, to be honest, how one identifies a single version as the 'right' version.
M.
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