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 Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| BrixBrix wrote: | | LadyMacbeth wrote: | | He's a psychiatrist. Last time I checked, autism was not a psychiatric disorder. |
My teacher's 14-yr-old son who is autistic (has classical autism) goes to a psychiatrist for his autism. |
There is nothing to do, with Autism, it is.
Psychiatrist have to find something else to call it to bill for services.
For garden varity Asperger's, there is no ethical treatment. Some accomidation in education, perhaps some speach and motion therapy, but nothing in the Mental Illness field.
So a Dx of Asperger's cuts them out of income.
Economic interests seem to override Science in the field.
As a group, Wrong Planet is, none of the above.
Some with other issues do come through, not a lot.
NT's are shocked by what sensable people they meet here.
So why do such people congragate here?
We do not fit the NT world, have no need for psychiatrists, and over 20,000 members.
Look at it this way, if you go to a Hooker, what is she going to think you need? |
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Angnix
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not fully claiming AS yet, but I keep getting comments from people about my social difficulties, obcessions, and stim-like behaviors, plus a few people including an HFA out and out saying I act aspie-like. I used to have daily severe tantrums as a child and I still have anxiety problems, I want to know the source.
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bigizz
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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I'm self diagnosed and I'll share my thoughts on the subject. I understand what your doctor is saying - people thinking they have whatever the "hip" diagnosis is very common. I've read about certain conditions and convinced myself I had them ("oh yeah that part sounds like me" etc.) I'm sure we have all done that to a certain extent.
The difference, at least for me, came when I first read about AS. A friend of mine had told me about it months before; she thought I had it after learning about it in her graduate level psych courses. I was kind of insulted at the time - only basing it off her vague description. A few months later I stumbled upon AS again. I was reading about interpreting body language which was a fascinating new interest I had developed. I Googled AS and read the article and instantly the last 25 years of my life made sense for the first time. It was amazing. After all those years of wondering and not understanding - feeling like I was so intelligent in some ways yet I lacked any ability to understand myself and how I related socially with others - suddenly it all made sense.
AS then became one of my obsessions. I bought all the books, read about it for hours and hours. I'm convinced I have it and I really don't see any benefit in convincing a "professional" that I have it and having them fill out some certificate to prove it. What does it really matter at this point in my life? Part of me thinks it would be nice but I'm out of school, have a job...why do I need to be d/xed? I don't see much real benefit. There is no cure, no medication to take. I don't care what anyone else thinks but I have AS and reading and learning about it helps me to understand myself. And even if I didn't actually have AS but AS described me and learning about it helped me, is there any harm in me thinking I have it? |
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Angnix
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| bigizz wrote: | I'm self diagnosed and I'll share my thoughts on the subject. I understand what your doctor is saying - people thinking they have whatever the "hip" diagnosis is very common. I've read about certain conditions and convinced myself I had them ("oh yeah that part sounds like me" etc.) I'm sure we have all done that to a certain extent.
The difference, at least for me, came when I first read about AS. A friend of mine had told me about it months before; she thought I had it after learning about it in her graduate level psych courses. I was kind of insulted at the time - only basing it off her vague description. A few months later I stumbled upon AS again. I was reading about interpreting body language which was a fascinating new interest I had developed. I Googled AS and read the article and instantly the last 25 years of my life made sense for the first time. It was amazing. After all those years of wondering and not understanding - feeling like I was so intelligent in some ways yet I lacked any ability to understand myself and how I related socially with others - suddenly it all made sense.
AS then became one of my obsessions. I bought all the books, read about it for hours and hours. I'm convinced I have it and I really don't see any benefit in convincing a "professional" that I have it and having them fill out some certificate to prove it. What does it really matter at this point in my life? Part of me thinks it would be nice but I'm out of school, have a job...why do I need to be d/xed? I don't see much real benefit. There is no cure, no medication to take. I don't care what anyone else thinks but I have AS and reading and learning about it helps me to understand myself. And even if I didn't actually have AS but AS described me and learning about it helped me, is there any harm in me thinking I have it? |
There could be harm, cause this iss becoming obcessive to me and all I think about.
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jayssite
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:20 am Post subject: |
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| I think anyone who really believes they have Asperger's, and scores highly enough on the rdos aspie quiz to see "You are very likely an aspie", is an Aspie to me. In fact, even diagnosed Aspies should take the rdos aspie quiz, because in my opinion it's a lot more detailed than the DSM-IV. |
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Danielismyname
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A psychiatrist can diagnose someone with Autism/AS. They're medical doctors who know clinical psychology.
From what I've seen, I prefer the professionalism of psychiatrists compared to clinical psychologists/psychologists; the former speak language that's easier for me to understand. |
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Greentea
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:51 am Post subject: |
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Brilliant post, Inventor!!!!!!
In my opinion, the nuances are not so important. AS, Autism, NVLD... What counts for me is do you or don't you have a problematic lack of social intuition. This is what is common to all of us on here and is not a part of any other disorder such as Anxiety, etc.
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GuyTypingOnComputer
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:03 am Post subject: |
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I see no point or benefit in claiming to be AS if I am not. I have a vested interest in being right about identfying the source of my life long problems.
I spent 4 years seeing pychologists and psychiatrists who diagnosed me with a variety of disorders and prescribed me the latest medical cures. These diagnoses didn't quite fit, the medication didn't work and my last psychiatrist made it clear that he was not interested in identifying the cause of my problems, but dealing with the symptoms through medication. I discovered I had Asperger's as a result of my efforts over this period of time, but stopped seeing the doctors out of frustration before getting an official diagnosis.
4 years later, my 8 year old was diagnosed with AS through his school and now will be getting services next year. The school initiated the testing on their own accord due to his social problems and other behavior. I have a nephew who was subsequently diagnosed as well. We all share the same family traits.
I don't see the point now in getting an official diagnosis. The diagnosis would be based on self-reporting by me anyway and I already have a slew of other "official diagnoses" that I found to be unreliable. Further, I am not looking for an excuse, do not need services, and I do not tell people in my daily life that I have AS. I just need to better understand my problems (and my son's problems) so I can address them. |
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Ford_Prefect
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:47 am Post subject: |
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| I think that person which was not diagnosed in childhood has only mild symptoms and there is probability of error. Person which was self-diagnosed as aspie may have another disorder - schizoid personality disorder, avoiding personality disorder, OCD, ADHD, hyperlexia, social phobia etc. Even psychologists couldn't be sure. I think that some of them has "favorite" diagnosis and if I should go to more psychologists that result should be 20% "you are OK only introverted", "50% you have AS", 15% "you have schizoid pd" and 15% "you have avoiding pd". |
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2ukenkerl
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| Ford_Prefect wrote: | | I think that person which was not diagnosed in childhood has only mild symptoms and there is probability of error. Person which was self-diagnosed as aspie may have another disorder - schizoid personality disorder, avoiding personality disorder, OCD, ADHD, hyperlexia, social phobia etc. Even psychologists couldn't be sure. I think that some of them has "favorite" diagnosis and if I should go to more psychologists that result should be 20% "you are OK only introverted", "50% you have AS", 15% "you have schizoid pd" and 15% "you have avoiding pd". |
Frankly, I think that is true even of little kids. And your statement basically says that people, that are as old as I am, shouldn't even bother with diagnoses. So I guess the oldest a properly diagnosed AS person can be is 20.
Oh well, my mother is getting old, my father never really knew me, and as for friends?????? Well, have you seen "the net"? Still, I am looking to as I was as a kid as much as I am now. I didn't want to lie to ANYONE, was bad at it, and certainly didn't lie to myself. I have ALSO thought about that stuff since I was perhaps 3. I didn't really have a chance to forget. Alas, they are MY memories. |
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quirky
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:39 am Post subject: |
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| I think if people really believe they have it, they are somewhere on the spectrum. Maybe not enough for an AS diagnosis, but at the very least, autistic tendencies. For me, the marker is less about social awkwardness (I expect their to be some, but people seem to be able to fake it a lot, making it seem less of a marker, especially if they have parents that yell at them until they behave 'correctly' in certain social situations). For me, whether or not a person stims oddly (even if they suppress it) is the most important, because social issues can be simply someone's personality, as can obsessive interests and other issues. But stimming from childhood despite being told not to repeatedly and being teased because of it is a clear sign that something odd is going on in the brain, and that the child isn't just awkward or shy or eccentric, and coupled with the other symptoms, leads more clearly to a combined problem. |
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shopaholic
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| Ford_Prefect wrote: | | I think that person which was not diagnosed in childhood has only mild symptoms and there is probability of error. Person which was self-diagnosed as aspie may have another disorder - schizoid personality disorder, avoiding personality disorder, OCD, ADHD, hyperlexia, social phobia etc. Even psychologists couldn't be sure. I think that some of them has "favorite" diagnosis and if I should go to more psychologists that result should be 20% "you are OK only introverted", "50% you have AS", 15% "you have schizoid pd" and 15% "you have avoiding pd". |
No, because this diagnosis did not exist when I was a child! (If it had, there is no way I would not have been referred in primary school!)
AS is just a name for the problems other people have identified with me all my life - I was just in denial (even after it was first suggested to me that I might have it).
I am actually partway between self-diagnosed & diagnosed, i.e. I am told I do have a "developmental disorder" - the only issue is which ones in which combination, since I seem to have symptoms of several of them (AS, ADHD, & OCD).
The answer to the original question, as others have already said, is obviously "Some do & some don't".
The real criteria is how they are viewed by other people, rather than how they view themselves.
In my case, I have always been told I do not interact enough, am too abrupt, unsocial, "different", etc etc. |
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lukesneeringer
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: Re: Do the Self DX'd REALLY Have AS? |
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| catspurr wrote: | | Orwell wrote: | | BrixBrix wrote: | | Do self-diagnosed Aspies really and truly have Asperger's? |
Some of them yes, some of them no. And some diagnosed Aspies do not have Asperger's. |
Do you know some diagnosed aspies that don't have aspergers?
Just curious as to how you gathered your information. Not asking in a baiting manner. |
I think he's going on the principle of large numbers. The sample size is sufficiently large that his statement is statistically nearly guaranteed to be true. |
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zeldapsychology
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:29 am Post subject: |
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While yes I am self diagnosed from talking to fellow Aspies on WP and from my sister finding the disorder and thinking I have it and doing the research I fit alot of AS traits and such I'll list them if that's ok.
1.I've said stupid stuff (I didn't know you couldn't take Nyquil while pregnant and blerted out the term Orgasm in class while a child was present) (A WP person I IM said welcome to the world of having AS) I never knew this was an AS thing until he mention it to me.
2.Empathy issues (laughing when someone is hurt in a minor way (leg scrape or bruised knee IMO you shouldn't have been RUNNING!)
3.Clumsiness (I trip over things and bump into walls.)
4.Social issues (I have ZERO friends outside of WP and IMing fellow WP people.) NO face to face socializing friends. 
5.Not understanding alot of normal stuff (mostly sex based since to topic is of ZERO interest AKA jokes or comments on it I'm like uhhhh.
6. talking about ONE topic I tend to do this alot.
7. Being "eccentric" I guess is the term I was describing to a fellow WP member on AIM about being able to recall all the Goosbumps Books I've read,Superman novels,videogame story lines, (example to me MGS story is not that confusing) when I asked if this was an AS thing he said Oh Yes.
(One category I'm not sure on is eye contact since I never keep track of it and I do cry if I'm at a gathering sometimes I feel very uncomfortable) Yes it might be something beyond AS but all those things I mentioned are AS based and my sister while not in Psychology is very smart and I trust her and am happy she found out about AS for me. Also I am welcome here on WP. Thank You fellow WP members. |
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Greyhound
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:43 am Post subject: Re: Do the Self DX'd REALLY Have AS? |
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[quote="2ukenkerl"] | BrixBrix wrote: | | I guess you COULD say I have NVLD, CAPD, SPD, etc.... but each only specifies a part. |
Are you saying that Asperger's is a collection of disorders, making a syndrome? That would make sense.
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