Obama thinks your kids should learn Spanish

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Should American kids learn Spanish?
Yes All American children should be taught Spanish 63%  63%  [ 25 ]
No learning Spanish will not benefit American children 38%  38%  [ 15 ]
Total votes : 40

monty
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25 Jul 2008, 2:25 pm

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... under the guise of helpful volunteer work... So people who are good at looking at such implementations can see where it leads. It always starts out with "we're only trying to help"


Are you implying that both candidates are supporting a sinister plan? Is this really any different than the Peace Corps or CityCorps? A program that may have done some good, but which are pretty minor in terms of their budget or volunteer staff.



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25 Jul 2008, 2:39 pm

monty wrote:
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... under the guise of helpful volunteer work... So people who are good at looking at such implementations can see where it leads. It always starts out with "we're only trying to help"


Are you implying that both candidates are supporting a sinister plan? Is this really any different than the Peace Corps or CityCorps? A program that may have done some good, but which are pretty minor in terms of their budget or volunteer staff.


Yes actually I am. I'm one of those people who looks at budding projects and can tell where it is leading. I'm one of those types of people that have time and time again informed people around me of what is yet to come and get shrugged off. People don't like that I suppose. Beyond caring anymore.

Just go along with the ride. There's nothing you can do.



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25 Jul 2008, 2:44 pm

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You think its OK that there are places in America that don't speak English?? I'm not going to give this thread any further dignity by responding. If you want to burn the American flag, then by all means, do so.


What does not speaking English have to do with burning the American flag? If they can get by (legally) without learning English, then good for them. I only believe that they are at a big disadvantage for not learning our language.



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25 Jul 2008, 2:48 pm

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Neither of those is comparable. You can't operate on a daily basis without using what you've learned in english and math class. You can operate on a yearly basis without using a single word of spanish.

You couldn't disuse math if you tried. Lets see for one thing you could no longer keep track of time or look at a clock, purchase any item, count your money, read a bank statement, make a budget..etc

And if you forget what you learn in english class you wont be speak well enough to carry on a basic conversation eith your family - we've all encountered foreignors who think they speak english, but don't have the first clue. They end up speaking like an instruction manual from china. and everyone is left saying "huh i can't understand you"
That is not true. I would be able to function perfectly fine had I not taken algebra. I don't use it daily. I only use it at school. I'd be able to function without history. I'd have less of an understanding of the world, but it would not impair my functioning noticeably. English class doesn't teach English, it's reading books. Honestly, I don't think I'm any better at anything for having read Great Expectations. And depending on where you are, Spanish may be very necessary for living daily. I don't make a whole lot of use of my Spanish, but I certainly use it more than I use geometry or make use of classic literature.



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25 Jul 2008, 2:56 pm

And to n4mwd:
America =/= English
English is not what America is about. Why is the language so damn important to you? Why can't people be proud of their heritage? I think my other post on this issue was ignored, about how many flags I fly, about St. Patrick's day, and such. Why is it okay to celebrate one's Irish heritage (woo!) but not their Cuban heritage?

That is some serious xenophobia going on, if you're offended just by seeing a flag that isn't American. Grow up.



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25 Jul 2008, 3:11 pm

After Mandarin Chinese, the most commonly spoken language is Spanish, did you know that?
English is third.

Despues Chino Mandarino, lengua segunda mas comun en el mundo es Espanol, nosotros sabemos este?
Ingles es tercero

Hahahahaha,
Yo hablo espanol

I think people should Spanish, it's a commonly spoken tongue and many Latin American countries are booming, look at Venzuela, Argentina, and even Mexico. Mexic's GDP grew at 4.8% according to the World Bank, as written on Wikipedia.

Now, do you want me to translate that?

Yo pieno personas necesistan de aprender Espanol, este idioma franca y muchos paises latinoamericanos son desarallo ecomiendemente mas rapido, mirando Venezuela, Argentina y Mexico. El PDT creci at 4.8 per ciento, hablan el Banco del Mundo, que escribio en Wikipedia.

hahahahaa

And no I am not being pretentious

y yo no soy pretensioso.



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25 Jul 2008, 3:17 pm

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Yes actually I am. I'm one of those people who looks at budding projects and can tell where it is leading. I'm one of those types of people that have time and time again informed people around me of what is yet to come and get shrugged off. People don't like that I suppose. Beyond caring anymore.



And exactly how is it different from the Peace Corps or City Corps? JFK started the Peace Corps in the 1960s, if I'm not mistaken, and I have not seen it as a sinister program that will ultimately expand to eat our children.



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25 Jul 2008, 3:22 pm

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After Mandarin Chinese, the most commonly spoken language is Spanish, did you know that?
English is third.

Yes, but the entire Spanish speaking world has a GDP about the size of Germany's. And it isn't much of an world language either.


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25 Jul 2008, 4:46 pm

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After Mandarin Chinese, the most commonly spoken language is Spanish, did you know that?
English is third.

Yes, but the entire Spanish speaking world has a GDP about the size of Germany's. And it isn't much of an world language either.



i could be wrong on this but i get the impression that most spanish cultures are very misogynistic.



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25 Jul 2008, 4:59 pm

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I would be miffed by the looks, and the fact that they appeared to be deliberately speaking about me in a manner that I could not understand; I would be equally offended if they were whispering to each other in English, with the same looks. If they were merely talking to each other in Chinese without involving me, I would have no complaint.



Then you better not order anything special at a chinese restaurant. Because not only will the convey your order in chinese, they chefs will look over at you when told what you want. Just as they would if they were told what you want in English


the implication was that they were looking in a non-neutral, disapproving and/or scurrilous manner. Not that they were simply looking - and, for that matter, none of the Chinese restaurants locally (I live in the boondocks, so this doesn't mean much) have kitchens that can be seen from the customer's section.

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how many average americans use algebra on a daily basis? Use any math at the high school level or beyond?


I'd love to see you point out a typical adult who doesn't use algebra daily. When you look at the price of gas and say "its $X/gallon so for $20 I can get X gallons, or 3/4 a tank, you are using algebra.

A parking meter costs $.10 an hour. you know you'll be gone at least an hour and a half. You need algebra to tell you how much money to put in the meter


Noooo.... that's simple multiplication and division. If it's algebra, it's the lowest form. I work in a clinical lab, and some of my co-workers have trouble even shifting their brains into that much of a math mode. I'm talking about real algebra - functions, trig, something a little more complex than 2x=6.

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You make $1200/month. You pay $300 in rent, $200 for your car, $50 for gas, $200 for your insurance, $200 for groceries, and $70 for your internet. You want to buy a cell phone that will cost you $100/month, you need algebra to see if you can afford that.


No, you need grade-school level addition and subtraction.

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You see a computer in the store whose sale price is 80% of the usual price, plus an extra ten percent of that price. You need algebra to figure out the price
You want to see if you are going to owe the government $4,000 or get a refund come April, you need Algebra.


And a lot of people couldn't do that.



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25 Jul 2008, 5:02 pm

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I really don't give a rats ass what race they are. If they aren't speaking English, that's extremely disrespectful. ...
We're all aspies here so I can understand why you don't understand that fact, but it doesn't change the fact that speaking a foreign language in public is very rude to say the least.


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you think that someone speaking their own native language, amongst themselves, is personally disrespectful to you? That's your problem, buddy, not theirs. It's true that in a *private* conversation in which you are included, your companions should either speak in a language that you can understand or have a translator at hand - but why do you think that you should have a right to listen in on everyone else in your vicinity?



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25 Jul 2008, 5:07 pm

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Did you miss the part where I said that there are places in south florida, a lot of places, where English is not spoken at all?? If you go into a store, you cannot get waited on because they will not speak english. Restaurants are the same thing.


so you think that you should be able to go onto someone else's private property - because stores and restaurants are private property - and demand that the staff and owners speak to you? You don't even get to do that in English. Yes, it's inconvenient, but you don't have a right to control what language other people speak. Especially on their own property.

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regardless of your race, if you hate America and English, then you don't need to be here.


funny how conservatives are always accusing people who disagree with them of 'hating America.' :roll:



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25 Jul 2008, 5:14 pm

Bosewani-
¿de donde es usted? Yo soy de California, pero quiero que ir a la America del sur para que aprender Español mejor. ¿Conoce Ud. algo de los paises alla?



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25 Jul 2008, 5:58 pm

I can't answer your poll because I think American students should have a choice of what foreign to learn. That's how it worked for me, and I studied French. If people want to take Spanish, why should anyone stop them? The OP wreaks of troll, but I decided to respond anyway.



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25 Jul 2008, 6:44 pm

monty wrote:
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Yes actually I am. I'm one of those people who looks at budding projects and can tell where it is leading. I'm one of those types of people that have time and time again informed people around me of what is yet to come and get shrugged off. People don't like that I suppose. Beyond caring anymore.



And exactly how is it different from the Peace Corps or City Corps? JFK started the Peace Corps in the 1960s, if I'm not mistaken, and I have not seen it as a sinister program that will ultimately expand to eat our children.


voluntary is one thing when it becomes mandatory is when it's another or when people can't get certain types of jobs because they chose not to do volunteer work pertaining to that field. So even though the word clearly states "volunteer", volunteer will be put through the spin cycle.

When it becomes mandatory under real definition using careful wording, those who do not follow up could be put through scrutiny, arrested or have a really tough time finding a job. So is that what voluntary means?

It's not in effect, yet.

When it does happen you'll notice the usual phase in mind tricks where people slowly become conditioned into accepting it and eventually defending it.

Don't worry, all appointed politicians will support the same agenda. It's just some will be more charismatic meaning much better at convincing the public that they would be better off this way.



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25 Jul 2008, 7:46 pm

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voluntary is one thing when it becomes mandatory is when it's another or when people can't get certain types of jobs because they chose not to do volunteer work pertaining to that field. So even though the word clearly states "volunteer", volunteer will be put through the spin cycle.


The only possible mandatory service I see on the horizon involves wearing green, marching, and carrying a gun.