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JCJC777
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 Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:17 am Post subject: aspie |
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Zen mistress, I can report that using mirror neurons is not tiring, it is just rather liberating, novel and fun, and the net effect is very definitely less tiring because I now do not do all that systemising in social situations. So I'd encourage you to give it a go!
Anbuend thank you for another perceptive post. Many of your thoughts are very interesting.
By systemising I mean approaching everything in life analytically: collecting scraps of data, analaysing them, referring back to similar past stored data, and using these and logic to work out what to do. This is particularly hard work when applied to social situations.
More generally I am unsure where you are? You are clearly very perceptive, but you do not seem to be trying to improve your life by improving how you use your brain. I know that some autistics and Aspie's (particularly here on Wrong Planet) adopt an attitude that 'autism is great', and 'I don't want to change even if I could'. However I feel in reality many autistics experience huge social difficulties, causing huge hurt to them and their loved ones, and isolation. Could you think positive, and propose ways to help autistics not experience this? I'm an engineer; I'm just trying to find solutions (like the one that worked for me) that work, to prevent this pain.
Aurore I don't think its right to think of 'curing' autism, rather you just find way to not do it, to operate in another way.
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aerofool
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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Hey I am Francisco I've been posting on JC's blog. I am trying to break with aperger too. I believe sometimes it works. I am not as thorough as fernando or JC but I am an empirist and stubborn. I think this goal is possible. I believe that many of what is labeled as aspergers is actualy a wrong brain usage that can be changed. I refuse to live like this because there is so much fun I can have and I was not having any.
Does anyone know where Volume 2 is? I would realy like to know Fernando's story. |
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ScrewyWabbit
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Joined: Oct 09, 2008
Age: 36
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject: Exercises? |
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| To the original poster, or to anyone else who can answer, what are the exercises being referred to? I hope this isn't a bad question, I am new to WrongPlanet and my knowledge of these disorders and what can be done about them is very little so far. |
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JCJC777
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Some of the exercises are mentioned on discussion The Finding of the Cure : Volume 1 |
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fernando
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Age: 28
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Location: at the onset of chaos
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:38 am Post subject: |
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| aerofool wrote: | | Does anyone know where Volume 2 is? I would realy like to know Fernando's story. |
Volume 2 details what happened between july 22 and august 19, 2006, the days when i designed the exercise that would end up becoming the cure and contains all the details of it. I have no clue when i'll post it, maybe years from now. It is shelved in my hard drive... waiting.
| anbuend wrote: | I hope you don't mind a long and detailed response. (I'm responding mostly for you -- nobody else has to read it if they can't deal with this much complex detail.  ) |
I'm really sorry for the amount of time you invested on that post, but you are just another person who thinks i am trying to prove i have a cure or that i am cured, i have no interest in proving anything, mainly because i don't really want to be believed yet, but after so many months i am now 100% sure i do have a cure, i'm at the next stage now, beginning to understand why it works. I believe it and that's enough for now. I find it funny how your post could almost be interpreted to imply that autism has no symptoms, a discussion with you would have to start by leveling our definitions of "autism"... but that's not the point, the point is that these posts were about telling the story of how i came to find the cure. It is designed to be read by people who already know the cure, as said in the intro of volume 1.
You are the living and walking proof that keeping the cure secret from this forum was a good choice. God knows what obscenities you would be making up about my poor little exercise if you knew what it is, you are just waiting for your chance to rip it to shreds. I am not the Fernando mentioned in whatever blog. Now look back and ask yourself how many seconds did it take you to decide I was him? How much info did you use? You even bolded your statement, that's how sure of it you were. This proves how quick you are to make up stuff when it comes to defending your political views. You are an anticurebie, you will fight the cure, i expect this of you. It's all... part of... the plan... 
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anbuend
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:02 am Post subject: |
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What I did was make a mistake. The same mistake I made in school once when I thought that the name of a cartoon pig and another kid were the same name, and therefore the same person. I'm sorry I made a mistake. I did not make it in order to suit any political agenda whatsoever, though. I would have made the exact same mistake if it were a non-contentious thread and the person were someone whose views on autism were similar to my own. The bolding was because I was frustrated at someone repeatedly referring to two "Fernando" persons who both thought the same thing and mentioned the same thing. I was wrong -- I was overloaded and tired at the time, I was thinking sloppily. But please think twice before you jump to your own overly hasty conclusions about the reasons for the sloppy thinking.
I went to a great deal of effort to write a post that was sincerely about communicating back and forth about an area of interest. I told you where I agreed, where I disagreed, where I was happy for you, and where I was unsure of things. I told you even where I identified with you, and where my experiences, or the experiences of other people, seemed to diverge from your own. I went to a lot of trouble and a lot of detail to do all that because you seemed, from the length of your posts, like someone who would appreciate the desire for understanding things that led me to do that.
I said this in the hopes that you would be interested in exchanging information. I might end up agreeing or disagreeing or neither, with the information you gave. But I was not meaning you should have to prove yourself. I was just meaning (in the parts where I disagreed at all, which was not all of them by any means), "What do you think of these facts, that seem at least on the surface to contradict some of your theories about what autism is?" And in other parts, "I don't even know what's going on. Do you have any ideas?" And in still other parts, "I had a similar experience, but I think about it differently than you do."
I do not believe only in communicating with people who agree with me (that leads to a kind of cognitive stagnation I have no interest in), and I don't expect that a person will agree with me, or even like me. I don't even expect that a person won't be angry at me for holding certain views. But I would appreciate at least some respect for the fact that the thoughts, feelings, and experiences I described were my real ones, and not tailored to some political agenda. If I had wanted to tailor them to a political agenda for some reason, I would not have written that the way I did.
Maybe I am too used to collaborating with scientists, who tend not to view data that seems to contradict their ideas, as a threat, or a political thing, or something. And who tend to in fact value that data in their search for a more accurate theory.
Or maybe I'm just too used to being me, and having a far simpler set of motivations than someone like you seems to expect me to have. In discussions of these things, I am motivated by such things as interest and curiosity. And I suppose those motivations are actually one of the few things me and most of my friends have in common, despite widely varying views on things like politics (including, yes, autism politics). Because without agreeing that our motivations were not to manipulate people, then no communication could possibly take place.
But I also know from experience that most of the time, once someone gets it stuck in their head that I really have some weird motivation I'd never even have thought of, then their mind refuses to let go of the concept. If I were to agree with you and say "Yep, I just made that all up out of nowhere to suit my agenda," I would be lying. And there's a good chance that even with my attempts to be very specific about what I did and did not mean, to apologize for where I did things wrong or made mistakes, etc., then somehow it will be possible to view that as evidence that I'm doing none of those things (I don't know how that works but people manage to do it all the time somehow).
But please understand that you are talking to a real human being. I am not a political machine, nor am I the agent of one. I am a person who tries very, very hard to understand things and to avoid inaccuracies in what I say. (That's the real reason for the length of my postings, is to cover nuances instead of deliver vague soundbites.) I was happy for you and intrigued by what you had to say. I also disagreed with some things you had to say. I also was curious about things I didn't know but thought you might have ideas about. These things aren't mutually exclusive, and they're not all-or-nothing.
You don't have to prove anything to me, that's not what I was asking at all. Just please don't put me in a position of having to prove the fact that I'm having this discussion in good faith and not in the service of a political agenda. I loathe the practice of force-fitting facts to fit ideologies, which is why I have written extensively about what I call "mental widgets," and also why I have so much interest in discussing things with people who have opinions and experiences that I don't have. I am always interested in learning and exploring more about what is real about the world, that is one of the main driving forces in my life, and it hurts like hell to go to so much trouble to do exactly that, only to be told that it doesn't exist. (This poem by someone else describes exactly, exactly, how conversations like this feel to me.)
Please note that another poster on this thread seemed to understand what I was getting at, and we had an interesting discussion where we probably both learned something even if we may never agree on certain aspects of the situation. That's all I wanted, not to force anyone to prove anything, but to figure things out.
If you don't want to be part of a discussion that attempts to figure things out, that attempts to try to work out why there are data that seem to contradict a theory (without forcing anyone to prove anything, just "Hmm, why is this then?"), etc., then I've got no problem with that. But now that I've told you what my motives are, please don't keep telling me they're actually different. I believe you that you have found something or other useful that has made great changes in your life. I don't think you're just saying it to be a curebie and suit that agenda. I hadn't even thought of either of those things as possibilities, because that's not how I do things, so I wouldn't assume someone else did either. I respect that even though I disagree with you about some things. Please grant me the same respect in return, even if you just don't feel like fleshing those things out or talking about them. (And if it's just that you don't want to talk about it and experienced my replies as pressure to do so, then just say so, and I will try not to bug you about it again.)
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JCJC777
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| sorry my fault on the name confusion; it was Francisco who I was talking with on my blog, not another Fernando. |
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anbuend
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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Ugh, and that's very much like the error I made with a classmate's name and the name of a pig. Two words that have many of the same letters, and roughly the same length, but are not the same word. Viewed while overloaded enough that I get those things confused.  (I seem to do that with names more than I do with regular words. The letters jumble up in ways ordinary words don't.) I'm, again, sorry.
(And also a bit alarmed at the length of my last post. I didn't mean it to be that long. It just seems to happen when I put my fingers to a keyboard, especially on something I think could be misunderstood. In any case I probably shouldn't have posted on a contentious topic while sleep-deprived.)
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fernando
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Location: at the onset of chaos
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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I am proud to announce that the key piece of the puzzle fell into place today, friday 28, november 2008. Which isn't to say that i know everything about autism, just that now i know why my cure works, and i now have evidence produced by scientists that it does work on at least the majority of autistic people (remains to be seen what effects if any will it have on the missdiagnosed). The next phases of the plan (that included me going back to aspie mode and taking the cure again) lose importance now so i will jump straight to the "recruitment of test subjects" phase Things are finally moving up again...
The winter came and explained the cure to me. It's the heat... It's always been the heat....
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Felinity
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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Do you or does anyone else have the links for Volumes One and Two of "finding the Cure"?
thanks. |
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