19 Jan 2009, 3:35 pm
Bea wrote:
What is happening between Israel and Palestine is the struggle that inevitably happens when one civilization decides another civilization is nothing more than a group of backwards brown-skinned people who don't have the same rights as other humans.
Reductionism, anyone?
Israeli Jews whose families emigrated from Europe and the United States are often Caucasian, but those who emigrated from Asia look Asian, and those who came from Ethiopia are coal-black. Spanish Jews look Spanish, South American Jews look South American, and Arab Jews look Arabic. The same principle goes for any other region of the world, since the Jews have spread everywhere. Color is not at issue; Jews come in all shades of the rainbow. Israeli citizens do dislike being blown up, I'll give you that. But generally, they don't hate Arabs or Muslims for who they are, which is the major difference. Israeli Arabs and Muslims have full rights as citizens, and serve in every field including government and parliament (Knesset). That obviously didn't come about from any Israeli hate for Arabs and Muslims, now did it?
19 Jan 2009, 3:47 pm
MR_BOGAN wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Legato wrote:
I have nothing against jews as a religion or as a "people", but I very much dislike the state of Israel. Moreover, I hate how a stupid little corner of the desert influences our (American) foreign policy so heavily.
What is happening in Israel is the surrogate struggle between civilization and barbarism. Since the U.S. won't take an explicit stand it aids the side that does. In a sense Israel is fighting our battle and Israelis are bleeding. Eventually the war will come to us (as it did on 9/11) and we will have to fight and bleed also. By the way - if we lose our children shall dwell in the Shadow of the Mosque for hundreds of years. Is that what you want?
"Welcome back to the fight, Mr. Blaine. Now I know that our side shall win" -- Best line from Casablanca
ruveyn
I read that in the the war Israel lost 10 troops and 3 civilians to rocket attacks. Where as there has been over 1300 gaza civilian deaths so far.
What ever government is in Israel it should be declared a barbaric terrorist organization.
Yes, how dare Israel not lose more lives!
Is that the substance of your complaint? That the casualties weren't equal on both sides?
O-kay....
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19 Jan 2009, 4:58 pm
Ragtime wrote:
MR_BOGAN wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Legato wrote:
I have nothing against jews as a religion or as a "people", but I very much dislike the state of Israel. Moreover, I hate how a stupid little corner of the desert influences our (American) foreign policy so heavily.
What is happening in Israel is the surrogate struggle between civilization and barbarism. Since the U.S. won't take an explicit stand it aids the side that does. In a sense Israel is fighting our battle and Israelis are bleeding. Eventually the war will come to us (as it did on 9/11) and we will have to fight and bleed also. By the way - if we lose our children shall dwell in the Shadow of the Mosque for hundreds of years. Is that what you want?
"Welcome back to the fight, Mr. Blaine. Now I know that our side shall win" -- Best line from Casablanca
ruveyn
I read that in the the war Israel lost 10 troops and 3 civilians to rocket attacks. Where as there has been over 1300 gaza civilian deaths so far.
What ever government is in Israel it should be declared a barbaric terrorist organization.
Yes, how dare Israel not lose more lives!
Is that the substance of your complaint? That the casualties weren't equal on both sides?O-kay....
To me the causalty difference says a lot. I keep hearing that the Isrealies and the good guys and the Palestinians are the bad guys, but when you look at the facts it is the other way round.
Israel is state built on religious garbage about some ancient nation that existed three thousand years ago and only existed for a few hundred years.
Israel shouldn't exist and they know it, legally and morally they have not got a leg to stand on. That is why they are oppressing the people they stole the land from into submission. Which in turn is where the hatred comes from.
When Jesus does come back like you think, it will be a good idea not to tell him about the 4 million Palestinian refugees. Best just to say something else and avoid that one.
19 Jan 2009, 5:15 pm
MR_BOGAN wrote:
To me the causalty difference says a lot. I keep hearing that the Isrealies and the good guys and the Palestinians are the bad guys, but when you look at the facts it is the other way round.
Israel is state built on religious garbage about some ancient nation that existed three thousand years ago and only existed for a few hundred years.
Israel shouldn't exist and they know it, legally and morally they have not got a leg to stand on. That is why they are oppressing the people they stole the land from into submission. Which in turn is where the hatred comes from.
When Jesus does come back like you think, it will be a good idea not to tell him about the 4 million Palestinian refugees. Best just to say something else and avoid that one.
Israel is state built on religious garbage about some ancient nation that existed three thousand years ago and only existed for a few hundred years.
Israel shouldn't exist and they know it, legally and morally they have not got a leg to stand on. That is why they are oppressing the people they stole the land from into submission. Which in turn is where the hatred comes from.
When Jesus does come back like you think, it will be a good idea not to tell him about the 4 million Palestinian refugees. Best just to say something else and avoid that one.
If you've actually read my last three posts in this thread, and you still think staunchly along the lines of your latest post, quoted above, then education can't help you in this matter. But, by the way, how many other nations that claim sovereignty over their land have only existed a few hundred years? For instance, your own.
19 Jan 2009, 5:21 pm
Bea wrote:
A previous post by Bea:
Oh, by the way Ragtime -- I've decided that your home is in the way of my settlement. The bulldozers will be there in five minutes. Make sure you wake up your deaf grandma before they get there, because the dozer drivers don't bother to check the houses for inhabitants.
But don't hate me. That would be unreasonable.
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Just take, for example, one of the ways the Israeli govt. deals with waste management. In some areas they don't bother to build waste treatment plants -- they just pump the raw sewage onto Palestinian land. Nice neighbors, right? And that wall they are building that cuts through the middle of towns? Its placement is frequently dictated by the location of the water aquifers under the ground. Water for the Israelis, none for the Palestinians. Evidently some people who survived the Warsaw ghetto have decided to try it out on Gaza.
Oh, by the way Ragtime -- I've decided that your home is in the way of my settlement. The bulldozers will be there in five minutes. Make sure you wake up your deaf grandma before they get there, because the dozer drivers don't bother to check the houses for inhabitants.
But don't hate me. That would be unreasonable.
You are deluded, I'm sorry to say. That happens when you believe propaganda by liars.
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19 Jan 2009, 8:18 pm
Hmmm, Yes, I think you are right, now that I saw that I was wondering wether that was very innapropriate to say, I just wanted to answer a silly comment with another silly comment 
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26 Jan 2009, 3:59 pm
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Ragtime is it appropriate for this young Israel settler to brag about how the Jews killed Jesus?
I don't think that is appropriate behavour. 
27 Jan 2009, 7:09 am
MR_BOGAN wrote:
Israel shouldn't exist and they know it, legally and morally they have not got a leg to stand on. That is why they are oppressing the people they stole the land from into submission. Which in turn is where the hatred comes from.
When Jesus does come back like you think, it will be a good idea not to tell him about the 4 million Palestinian refugees. Best just to say something else and avoid that one.
When Jesus does come back like you think, it will be a good idea not to tell him about the 4 million Palestinian refugees. Best just to say something else and avoid that one.
What you are saying in effect is that Jews shouldn't exist. Why aren't we extinct? Why are we still around bothering people like you? Why don't we just disappear? Right?
By the way if there is anything to the Scriptures (I doubt it) Jesus will remember that He promised the Land to His very special and treasured people.
And for Christ's sake stop blaming Israel and the Jews for 9/11. It was done by Muslims whose extreme form of their religion drove them crazy.
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