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| OK maybe I exaggerated a little bit with a couple of things, but my overall point is that the lands are COMPLETELY changing because of them, and it is happening on an overwhelming rate. What gives them the right to do that? Just because they are human they can take their culture and race and replace what is there already? We were there first, and I'm just saying I would hate to see Europe become dominantly muslim, it's bad enough as it is. The identity of the land should not change any more, it has enough things to struggle over. Would I care if there were maybe a few here and there? No, because it doesn't threaten the stablility of anything. In the year 2006, the muslim population in Europe was over 50%!!! A whopping amount of them residing in Russia! And they are still pooring in by the hundreds to this day! Now that is something to be concerned about, I'm sorry if no one else agrees with me. Europe is dying, and again no one understands the need to care, which is depressing in my opinion. Also I'm done on this topic, it upsets me and I'm tired of discussing it. |
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[quote="Haliphron"][quote="ruveyn"] | Haliphron wrote: |
As for this nonsense about voting for Cthulhu, I dont mean to be a buzzkill but that joke is getting SO old. Im sick of people making fun of H P Lovecraft and his creations....  |
Good point. In the next election I am going to write in Beelzebub.
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| v0lume wrote: | | OK maybe I exaggerated a little bit with a couple of things, but my overall point is that the lands are COMPLETELY changing because of them, and it is happening on an overwhelming rate. What gives them the right to do that? Just because they are human they can take their culture and race and replace what is there already? We were there first, and I'm just saying I would hate to see Europe become dominantly muslim, it's bad enough as it is. The identity of the land should not change any more, it has enough things to struggle over. Would I care if there were maybe a few here and there? No, because it doesn't threaten the stablility of anything. In the year 2006, the muslim population in Europe was over 50%!!! A whopping amount of them residing in Russia! And they are still pooring in by the hundreds to this day! Now that is something to be concerned about, I'm sorry if no one else agrees with me. Europe is dying, and again no one understands the need to care, which is depressing in my opinion. Also I'm done on this topic, it upsets me and I'm tired of discussing it. |
I agree with you on one thing- it is pointless, at least for me, to discuss this with you, because you fail to deliver logical arguments, and I don't understand the herd/social instinct thingy that makes you feel sympathy for your race/ethnicity any more than for other humans. sorry, but I just don't "feel" it. so however hard you try, I will never understand you point of view correctly, at least not in the practical sense.
I'm not sure now what your point of view is anyway, since you keep talking about "muslims" who in your opinion "invade" Europe, and who you think will dominate us etc... I would suggest that you read some books about the French Revolution, maybe that would give you some idea on why it is not at all likely for Europeans to surrender to any sort of religion/ideology.
you say that Europe is changing because of the muslim immigrants... well, I don't know how many times you've been to Europe, but I reside here full time and TBH I haven't noticed any changes that I wouldn't like. I bloody love Tikka Masala and the fact that I have a Chinese take-away around the corner. it's easy for you to criticise from across the pond, when in fact you probably have very little idea about how Europe's *really* changed over the years. as you said, you don't care what happens to your own homeland, yet you preach to us what you don't yourself practice...
and if you think that the whole argument breaks down to "who was here first" then I guess you'd support ETA terrorists as Basques are the only aboriginal Europeans (of course going far back enough, they are not) and we are all invaders...
and I don't understand why you said that "Europe is dying"... Europe is very much alive and doing well, some countries are doing really well demographically speaking, we have great healthcare and social security system, and you... wait, you don't have all this, do you? no, you don't.
I don't expect you to respond as you're pursuing a hopeless argument anyway...
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Fine, I'll give it one more shot, to see if anyone will understand. The point is I originated from Europe, and I want Europe to stay Europe because I love my ancestory (which includes race/culture/land). You say Europeans don't give in to other beliefs personally and I know this. The second point is that they are OVERpopulating large areas, and soon they will become dominant because of the liberal acceptance of everyone. So most country leaders acting like the west in this way not caring about this problem in the least. I DO NOT think my race is any more than other humans, I'm just an extreme conservative when it comes to these things. I do love my folk, so I want what is best for them, thats all. I want their ways of life and so forth to be preserved for as long as possible. This will not happen if things continue the way they are, that is all I'm saying.
Another point being that I don't believe my homeland is supposed to be like the East, so yes your right, I don't care if it's a melting pot. You made comments about chinese food and such, of course I don't mind if there are some immigrants here and there, it's unlikely they could do anything as bad as Islam is currently doing. They are the ones I have problems with, for more reasons than just this.
And what I meant by my land of origin is dying is that it is dying in an ethnic way. You read this already, in 2006 it was 50% muslim! (um, something wrong with this picture?) Since then the rate of them coming there has certainly not slowed down.
I know you have better education and health care, which makes me love it even more, why did you think it was something to use that attitude about? As if I thought my country was better or something :s
I don't know if I offended you by saying muslims are getting out of control with their overpopulation or something, but I feel I did somehow and I am sorry. *shrugs* I just don't know. |
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^^ok I don't understand your particular dislike for muslims, but if you don't want to elaborate, so be it. but the 50% figure is... just... I don't even find the words... it's plain ridiculous. it doesn't hold any truth even for the EU countries with the biggest muslim diasporas, like France, yet for the whole of Europe! it's just plain ridiculous, and you should not believe it.
I agree that EU governments have gone a little too far in political correctness (the puppy police ad incident was the most hilarious in my humble opinion) but there is a strong trend now to stop this kind of behaviour and enforce the same, religiously-neutral rules for everyone. I believe that Europeans are far too experienced by their history to surrender their identity(ies) to a religious concept. you shouldn't think that any amount of immigrants is going to change the European cultural mindset. try worrying about more serious things :p
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| v0lume wrote: | | OK maybe I exaggerated a little bit with a couple of things, but my overall point is that the lands are COMPLETELY changing because of them, and it is happening on an overwhelming rate. What gives them the right to do that? Just because they are human they can take their culture and race and replace what is there already? We were there first, and I'm just saying I would hate to see Europe become dominantly muslim, it's bad enough as it is. The identity of the land should not change any more, it has enough things to struggle over. Would I care if there were maybe a few here and there? No, because it doesn't threaten the stablility of anything. In the year 2006, the muslim population in Europe was over 50%!!! A whopping amount of them residing in Russia! And they are still pooring in by the hundreds to this day! Now that is something to be concerned about, I'm sorry if no one else agrees with me. Europe is dying, and again no one understands the need to care, which is depressing in my opinion. Also I'm done on this topic, it upsets me and I'm tired of discussing it. |
It's not dying, it's changing... which isn't anything new... culture inevitably changes from one generation to the next - that can't be stopped or even controlled. It will happen and you will have nothing to say about it. End of story. You may as well try to stop the tides. But it happened in every generation from the very first cave men until you were born. How come your culture is better than the ones that came before it? Why is your culture better than the Roman culture or the Greek culture of Alexander the Great or the earlier cultures of Egypt or Persia or Mesopotamia? Should cultural drift have stopped at one of those? Or perhaps cultural drift is bad in general, maybe we should all still have the same cultural mores as cave men? Note that I'm not talking about technology -- take or leave that, whatever you like. I'm not talking about going back to bronze age or stone age technology. What I'm saying is, well gee, at one point in time a large amount of the population of the earth was ruled by an Egyptian Pharaoh, who at that time was required to marry his sister. We don't particularly like that idea as a matter of fact our legal requirement is exactly the opposite, but that's what cultural drift is and does. There are aspects of every culture that can be seen in a positive or negative light. Why should we spend our time trying to stop the drift? What's so special about our culture specifically that it should be held up as being better or more important than all other prior cultures?
With regard to an influx of Muslims... meh... it is what it is... not too long ago Ireland was being overrun by an influx of technology workers from Germany. Why? Because Ireland was having an IT boom while the IT industry was suffering in other areas, especially in Germany. If there's any truth to the idea of an influx of Muslims in your area, it's likely that trend is influenced by a similar economic incentive.
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| falcorn wrote: | if you voted for him because hes black. that means you are a racist bigot and you dont like white people
i voted for mccain becuase hes white. Oh you say that makes me racist?
i guess it does, but what does that make all the black people that voted for obama. there were even commercials on BET saying vote for obama hes the "black vote"
oh yea and everyone in africa is racist too because they only have black presidents, i guess we should all go there and vote for white people and get excited about the first "white" president in nigeria.
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People didn't vote for Obama just because he is black. Americans voted for him because we needed Obama's leadership.
Second thing of course BET is going to tell you to vote for Obama!! BLACK ENTERTAINMENT NETWORK!!!!! ITS BETTER HAVING A PRESIDENT THAT CAN SYMPATHIZE FOR THE BLACKS & HELP THEM OUT!!!
Most of them @$$holes doing all the political satire about Obama being awesome because of race where McCain supporters.
It's the opposite of racism due to the fact that a african american couldn't even run for president 12 years ago. Due to the candidates skin color.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: if you voted for obama then you are a racist |
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| gamefreak wrote: | | It's the opposite of racism due to the fact that a african american couldn't even run for president 12 years ago. Due to the candidates skin color. |
The facts say otherwise:
| Quote: | | Resisting an enormous popular drumbeat for his candidacy, Gen. Colin L. Powell, the hero of the gulf war, declined today to compete in the 1996 Presidential election because, he admitted, he lacked "a passion and commitment that, despite my every effort, I do not have for political life." |
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i was under the impression that people voted for bad bama jamma for multiple reasons, like hes not bush, not bush, and uhm black. oh and change.
on a side note, not completely related to obama: i am sick hearing people say 'he makes blacks proud' or 'he helps out the black community'. to hell with these people. i am tired of local politicians who only care about race and not the whole community. burn in hell, you bastards.
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I got the statistics from searching google, and came up with this:
http://www.islamicpopulation.com/europe_islam.html
Something tells me it's accurate. A while ago I have communicated with some European natives who have complained about there being too many turkish gangs running around and a large population of muslims in general.. So, you be the judge I guess.
Aside from them being abrahamic, islam is one of the most oppressive to date, and brutal (obviously not all of them are terrorists). What I'm saying is, for example what about the stories about the woman who gets raped, then as a punnishment for being "unpure" she is exicuted? Such actions happen in the middle east all the time. I just don't want that sort of thing happening in a place that I love, nor do I want their other corrupt values there. I don't want Europe to become the new middle east. If the website is correct and the people I have spoken to are correct, then that may become a reality someday, which scares me.
Besides the fact that I said what I did, I also still believe that even if they didn't have such barbaric beliefs, they don't have a right to be pooring into a different land like that in such an overwhelming way.
I just really, truely hope the website is wrong.. I will be very saddened if it isn't.
From when I brought up corrupt values seperate from brutality, the values of a person helps define that person. If a whole group of people stride for the same values that are corrupt, then they all are as people, which is another reason why I don't really like them being over there but.. Anyway, I think I'm done here for good this time. There's nothing really left to say about the subject. |
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I'm surprised no one brought up lookism 
Maybe he was elected cos he's younger and better looking than his other two opponents.
I mean it's been statistically shown that good jobs and better degrees come faster and easier to those of high status and good looks. 
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| MissConstrue wrote: | I'm surprised no one brought up lookism
Maybe he was elected cos he's younger and better looking than his other two opponents.
I mean it's been statistically shown that good jobs and better degrees come faster and easier to those of high status and good looks. |
I thought Sarah of the Frozen North was rather good looking. Better looking than Geraldine Fararo, the Mafia gun moll. However, looks are not a qualification for the job.
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| v0lume wrote: | I got the statistics from searching google, and came up with this:
http://www.islamicpopulation.com/europe_islam.html
Something tells me it's accurate. A while ago I have communicated with some European natives who have complained about there being too many turkish gangs running around and a large population of muslims in general.. So, you be the judge I guess.
Aside from them being abrahamic, islam is one of the most oppressive to date, and brutal (obviously not all of them are terrorists). What I'm saying is, for example what about the stories about the woman who gets raped, then as a punnishment for being "unpure" she is exicuted? Such actions happen in the middle east all the time. I just don't want that sort of thing happening in a place that I love, nor do I want their other corrupt values there. I don't want Europe to become the new middle east. If the website is correct and the people I have spoken to are correct, then that may become a reality someday, which scares me.
Besides the fact that I said what I did, I also still believe that even if they didn't have such barbaric beliefs, they don't have a right to be pooring into a different land like that in such an overwhelming way.
I just really, truely hope the website is wrong.. I will be very saddened if it isn't.
From when I brought up corrupt values seperate from brutality, the values of a person helps define that person. If a whole group of people stride for the same values that are corrupt, then they all are as people, which is another reason why I don't really like them being over there but.. Anyway, I think I'm done here for good this time. There's nothing really left to say about the subject. |
I suggest you should look at that graph again, but this time more closely.
the 50,70 figure is NOT under percentage but under TOTAL POPULATION.
since total population of Europe is 731,7 then 50,7 of muslims is LESS THAN 7% OF THE POPULATION!!!
hardly an invasion 
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sicko.
you are a racist, and stop trying to push the blame
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| anna-banana wrote: | | claire333 wrote: | | But there is value in being white. Do not ask me why because I have no answer. Of course, it should not matter...but for some reason it really does. |
this is just pure tautology. if you don't plan on making sense then why do you even post? |
Well there goes the respect I once had for claire 333. If you think that is harsh I can have absolutely no respect for someone who judges on the basis of colour, I abhor racism and its proponents.
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