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12 Feb 2009, 11:02 am

Why the eyeroll, Haliphron?

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12 Feb 2009, 11:06 am

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Martyrdom cannot be compared to dying for one's country. To die a martyr is to die in service to the Highest Cause. As opposed to dying for the material hungers of mere men.

Well-spoken!
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12 Feb 2009, 11:07 am

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Why the eyeroll, Haliphron?

Im expressing cyncism for the age-old notion that the JEWS were responsible for Jesus's crucifiction...

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12 Feb 2009, 11:09 am

If the Jews weren't responsible for the death of Christ, why do they still reject Him?

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12 Feb 2009, 11:10 am

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If the Jews weren't responsible for the death of Christ, why do they still reject Him?

Because he claimed to be divine. The jews reject the Entire concept of the Trinity because the Tanakh implies the unity of God.

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12 Feb 2009, 11:12 am

Those who are unable to see how the world changes will never be able to see the One who changes the world.

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12 Feb 2009, 11:31 am

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If the Jews weren't responsible for the death of Christ, why do they still reject Him?

Any human being who claims to be God is clearly insane.

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12 Feb 2009, 11:35 am

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If the Jews weren't responsible for the death of Christ, why do they still reject Him?

Any human being who claims to be God is clearly insane.

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Any human being who claims to be God lacks the humility to be credible.

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12 Feb 2009, 1:01 pm

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Of course, the Romans did the deed but obviously it was arranged by someone higher up. Who was that?

There was no one higher-up than the Romans at that time and place. Who arranged the death of Jesus? Not the Mexicans.

Al-Queda?

The Jews.

Not to be confused with anyone of the Jewish faith alive today.

I'm not sure Al-Queda even existed 2000 years ago...

haha, you know was joking right?

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12 Feb 2009, 1:04 pm

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If the Jews weren't responsible for the death of Christ, why do they still reject Him?

Any human being who claims to be God is clearly insane.

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I don't think he had a choice. Mary was probably raped. She was ashamed to tell people. You know how people were those days. They must have been going "its a miracle!! !"

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12 Feb 2009, 2:30 pm

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Jesus died for the entire human race, past-present-future. Not just for the people alive in his time or in that part of the world.

How you can die for something you even do not have a clue of? When even the vast majority of mankind of his time never heard about him? I am in very strong doubt that his name was even mentioned in the reports to the imperial chancellery about the activities of the Roman Administration on Palestine of this time.

The issue was much more trivial: The Roman administration saw in him a trouble maker and because he was no Roman Citizen (or had an other status which may protects him) they choose the most common solution: Crucifixion.

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12 Feb 2009, 2:38 pm

ruveyn wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

If the Jews weren't responsible for the death of Christ, why do they still reject Him?

Any human being who claims to be God is clearly insane.

It is quite unlikely that Jesus did so: If he would did so, he would be in big trouble even before he reached Jerusalem. It is more likely that he was one to many preachers of his time. It was also not that unusual that the Roman authorities crucified some of thise, which they saw as potential trouble makers.

During the reign of Tiberius (and the other Caesars of Claudian-Julian family) even the live of a Roman Senator was not a big deal, the live of a Non-Roman even much less. Before interpreting the New Testament, anyone shall read Tacitus and Suetonius to get a "taste" of the time this story supposedly happened.

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12 Feb 2009, 3:18 pm

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Of course, the Romans did the deed but obviously it was arranged by someone higher up. Who was that?

There was no one higher-up than the Romans at that time and place. Who arranged the death of Jesus? Not the Mexicans.

Well that settles that. I thought religious people figured God was in control. Seems not. Outranked by the Romans.
Therefor it was the Romans who excused all human sins by crucifying Christ. I cannot follow the logic of that but neither have I been able to see it was logical for God to demand a human sacrifice to get humanity off the hook. Perhaps he felt frustrated by not actually going through with demanding Abraham sacrifice his son and finally felt complete by seeing to it that the Romans did Christ in.

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14 Feb 2009, 8:47 pm

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Jesus saving me because he died on the cross for ME.

How a man under reign of Tiberius could know anything about you (or me)? And so how he could die for you or me?

because it say's it in the bible and if you want to know any more answers - Why don't you read it? :rambo:

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Dont believe everything you read BellaDonna! :mrgreen:

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Why have some of the most expertised scientist become christian then?

"Become"? Some stayed on sentimental reason in the faith they were grown, but no one converted to Christianity. Within the scientific community you find that the vast majority consist of atheist or agnostics.

but the best of them. The most experienced scientist changed thier faith to Christianity.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight..... :roll:

You Totally made that up.

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14 Feb 2009, 9:41 pm

Are you a christian BDonna?

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20 Feb 2009, 11:12 pm

According to scripture no one killed Jesus as "He layed down His life as a randsome for many". So He chose to be a sacrifice to be the bridge between a holy God and unholy humans.

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