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Do you think the BNP will get to Power?
yes 14%  14%  [ 3 ]
No 86%  86%  [ 19 ]
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10 Apr 2009, 3:33 pm

How likely is it that the BNP would get into power?



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10 Apr 2009, 3:35 pm

Laconvivencia wrote:
How likely is it that the BNP would get into power?

Well, just look at how many voted 'yes'.


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10 Apr 2009, 3:43 pm

Henriksson wrote:
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How likely is it that the BNP would get into power?

Well, just look at how many voted 'yes'.


you mean that it is so unlikely that the BNP would get into Power?



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10 Apr 2009, 4:16 pm

Laconvivencia wrote:
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Laconvivencia wrote:
How likely is it that the BNP would get into power?

Well, just look at how many voted 'yes'.


you mean that it is so unlikely that the BNP would get into Power?

Precisely. It's a snowball's chance in hell.


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10 Apr 2009, 8:42 pm

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Oooh... 1 President is half-black out of 43 Presidents (counting Cleveland only once).

Thin end of the wedge, Orwell. By 2050 it's projected non-Hispanic whites will be in the minority.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

Um... OK, and even by those projections whites are the single largest group, and also larger than any two other groups (46% non-Hispanic whites vs 45% for Hispanics+Blacks). On top of that, living in Miami I know a lot of "Hispanics" who are just as white as anyone else, being of European (Spanish) descent through Cuba. So it looks as though whites (total) are still going to be the largest group by far. And anyways, as I've said: I'm not concerned about whites not being the majority. I don't see that as a problem, because there are deeper issues than race. I don't feel any particular kinship with someone merely because we're both Irishmen. America is a melting pot, and I enjoy the cultural diversity we have.


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11 Apr 2009, 5:59 am

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Since Muslims will eventually outnumber non-Muslims (if current birthrates continue) in Western Europe and Britain,


You may have look into the numbers first and than rethink your statement.


Apatura is correct, we are forty or fifty years away from Islamic rule in Britain, even faster if the loony left have their way.



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11 Apr 2009, 6:00 am

Apatura wrote:
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Since Muslims will eventually outnumber non-Muslims (if current birthrates continue) in Western Europe and Britain,


You may have look into the numbers first and than rethink your statement.


The Muslim birthrate is approximately 3 times that of native British and Europeans. Extrapolate through generations and you will achieve a majority.

http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/2003/ ... pinar.aspx

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 890354.ece


well said, Britain is on the road to ruin thanks to both Tory and Labour traitors.



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11 Apr 2009, 6:03 am

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As anti-immigrant sentiment continues to rise in the West, support for nationalist parties will also continue to rise.


this is VERY true, voters will not put up with traitor, self pocket filling governments for much longer.



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12 Apr 2009, 3:45 pm

Laconvivencia wrote:
should i worry about them getting to power?

By getting into power, do you mean forming a clear Parliamentary majority? Given the ‘First-Past-the-Post’ voting system in the UK, it’s very unlikely unless the voting laws are changed. Neither the Conservatives nor Labour would countenance such a change as the current duopoly suits both parties very nicely.
However, what the BNP could do is influence the policies of the party in power. If the Labour government start to notice a right-ward drift in the sentiment of the electorate, they may move their political platform to the right to prevent their supporters defecting to a party of the extreme right. Any Conservative government may do the same.

Finally, on a slightly more optimistic note, my own observation is that the UK is considerably less racist than it was 30 – 40 years ago. Many of us who were around at that time can recount the casual racism and abuse that formed part of everyday life. Many verbal and physical attacks on anyone with a dark skin were never commented upon. Now, they make the news and people realise that abusing someone who does not resemble you is not acceptable.

Peace and harmony to everyone at WP this Easter.



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12 Apr 2009, 4:35 pm

I've only spent a week in Britain in the early 90s...but
i think it's very unlikely (probably impossible) that the BNP will get into power, any more than the Natural Law party will in the US (not similar in outlook, just the same amount of loonies...;)

There's a long history of anti-semitism around the world. The Jews were even thrown out of England, long ago. Muslims originally prayed towards Jerusalem, until the Jews refused to convert, during Muhammeds' lifetime. They were anti-Jewish (Arabs are Semitic...it's a crazy world..;) long before the 1870s (start of Zionism).

While educated and sophisticated Muslims understand the difference, the common folk (of any religion, for that matter) don't know, or don't care.



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12 Apr 2009, 5:32 pm

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I've only spent a week in Britain in the early 90s...but
i think it's very unlikely (probably impossible) that the BNP will get into power, any more than the Natural Law party will in the US (not similar in outlook, just the same amount of loonies...;)

There's a long history of anti-semitism around the world. The Jews were even thrown out of England, long ago. Muslims originally prayed towards Jerusalem, until the Jews refused to convert, during Muhammeds' lifetime. They were anti-Jewish (Arabs are Semitic...it's a crazy world..;) long before the 1870s (start of Zionism).

While educated and sophisticated Muslims understand the difference, the common folk (of any religion, for that matter) don't know, or don't care.


actually muslims were not anti Semitic in most occasions, when the Jews were severely persecuted by the Catholic Visigoths, the Jews Helped the Muslims Invade Spain, and after that Jews and Muslims, and Christians Lived together. during the Medieval times Muslim rule was Much better for us Jews than Christian rule.

besides many muslims like Ahmednejad are not Anti semitic, they are Anti Zionist which i am myself.



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12 Apr 2009, 5:51 pm

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My original point was that it will be difficult for any "white nationalist" type political force to gain traction in areas of the world that are becoming less and less white. How quickly they will become less white is open to debate, but the US, for instance, is going to have a white minority by the 2040s.

I don't doubt this was what you meant and how I interpreted it as. There is some truth in it sure. However your assessment of Muslim Britain isn't quite as you think. They are still very much a minority, an important minority but a minority nonetheless. Even places like France, which had more former colonies in the Muslim world, and have larger Muslim communities world still aren't going be very sizable for a very long time if at all. Anything can happen. That far into the future it is difficult to say what. We all may be a lot more secular.

It is all to easy to stereotype, but if you are talking of extremes with regard to second third generation Muslim born in the UK you have very liberal, secular on the one hand extremely religious on the other hand (more religious than their parents and grandparent, and rejecting the tribal/national cultures as well).

It is often he extreme end that can flip-flop into each other, due to disillusionment from being different from their parents but not feeling that the being in UK society either.



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12 Apr 2009, 6:03 pm

pakled wrote:
I've only spent a week in Britain in the early 90s...but
i think it's very unlikely (probably impossible) that the BNP will get into power, any more than the Natural Law party will in the US (not similar in outlook, just the same amount of loonies...;)

There's a long history of anti-Semitism around the world. The Jews were even thrown out of England, long ago. Muslims originally prayed towards Jerusalem, until the Jews refused to convert, during Muhammeds' lifetime. They were anti-Jewish (Arabs are Semitic...it's a crazy world..;) long before the 1870s (start of Zionism).

While educated and sophisticated Muslims understand the difference, the common folk (of any religion, for that matter) don't know, or don't care.

Actually the anti Semitism that did exist in the Muslim world back then was no where near as bad as say the Christian anti-Semitism overall.

The majority of anti-Semitism, is greatly inflamed by Zionism, however when Zionism was getting going it was more about displacement of arabs /Palestinians who were also Christians, etc. The two world wars and the cold war also contributed, as non allied forces spread anti-Semitism (although sometime it was the other way round), in order to undermine each others aims.

One of the problems is that part of the world was not allowed to develop on it s own, instead most of the decisions were made for them, often at their expense. I think the formation of Israel was a big mistake at the time. However it would be worse to undo it now.



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15 Apr 2009, 9:30 am

They are still very much a minority, an important minority but a minority nonetheless.

oh really!! !! !! why are they an "important minority"?

they have come to live in Britain so that they can lead a better life than they can in their own backward, stone aged countries.

and the first thing that they do is try to turn Britain into the backward muslim dump that they have just left.

i don't know one single person in Britain who isn't sick of the sight of them.
EVERY person who i speak to is fed up of the creeping islamification of our country.
they jump straight to the front of every queue, they demand special treatment because of their religious brainwashing, they expect US to change our way of life to suit THEM.
they get offended at the slightest remark against their obscene religion.

btw, if you don't think that the islamic religion is obscene, try reading it!! !! !! !

the sooner this bunch of loony left traitors is dumped out of office the better.
if the New Labour party of traitors had their way Britain will be a islamic state within forty years.



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15 Apr 2009, 11:25 am

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They are still very much a minority, an important minority but a minority nonetheless.

oh really!! !! !! why are they an "important minority"?

they have come to live in Britain so that they can lead a better life than they can in their own backward, stone aged countries.

And instead of welcoming them with open arms with the prospect of a new life, you want to give them a good beating and send them home again. Nice.

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and the first thing that they do is try to turn Britain into the backward muslim dump that they have just left.

Yeah, they live their country under great risk, fed up by the backward oppressive country they left, and instead come here to try to make it the very same backward oppressive country they fled from? Makes no sense. Maybe you've listened to propaganda too much and haven't actually met a muslim.

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i don't know one single person in Britain who isn't sick of the sight of them.
EVERY person who i speak to is fed up of the creeping islamification of our country.

Personal incredulousness isn't a good measure. Get out more often.

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they jump straight to the front of every queue, they demand special treatment because of their religious brainwashing, they expect US to change our way of life to suit THEM.
they get offended at the slightest remark against their obscene religion.

Sounds like the bible bashers who try to shove creationism down children's throats. Your dear country America does have a scary amount of creationists.

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btw, if you don't think that the islamic religion is obscene, try reading it!! !! !! !

No more obscene than her sister religion, Christianity.

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the sooner this bunch of loony left traitors is dumped out of office the better.
if the New Labour party of traitors had their way Britain will be a islamic state within forty years.

Yeah, because left-wing politics is totally the first thing I associate with religious fundamentalism. :roll:


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15 Apr 2009, 11:55 am

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i don't know one single person in Britain who isn't sick of the sight of them.
EVERY person who i speak to is fed up of the creeping islamification of our country.


What the hell are you actually talking about? I live in a city with no mosques, no muslim community, no recognizable muslim presence whatsoever. And cities like this are the clear majourity in this country, there are some exceptions like Manchester, Birmingham, London and other places but in the majourity of towns and cities in England there isn't one mosque, there also isn't one law that has come about due to pressure from the muslim community. How the hell do you see creeping islamification? There's a much bigger polish presense but I suppose there a bit too white for you to feel a need to unleash you're racist bile on.