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jelibean
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| CanyonWind wrote: | | jelibean wrote: | | Evening from UK CanyonWind, mmmm let me tell you that as a female on the spectrum, I too have had to fight to keep my children (long story but one I have openly talked about before) and fight for them. So being an aspie male to be honest is no different to being an aspie female, just as hard in many ways! |
Interesting. Thank you for pointing out your own experience.
I gather that the problems in the UK child custody system are similar to those we have in the US. There is an obvious gender bias. No other conclusion is possible based on the numbers, but there could be a whole lot more to it.
The system here is based on the assumption that the person who gives the impression of being the better parent in an interview actually is the better parent. The very worst thing an aspie could be expected to do is to create a good impression in an interview. I would expect this to work against female aspie parents exactly the same way it does against males.
This requires more consideration. |
Hiya again CanyonWind 
Yes you are correct, the problems in teh UK are similar to those in the US. It is a terrible mess over here. The secrecy of the Family Court System is appauling, you would not believe the horrors that go on behind locked court doors, orders of secrecy wrapped up in the disguise of 'protecting the child's name', absolute poppycock. The system we have here is Dickensian, sadly many of the judges are in close contact with Social Services and I am sure many fates are decided at the 19th hole of the golf course. The old boy network is still very much in force here.
Uggg, what a mess, what a horrible mess. I can assure you though it aint easy being a parent on the spectrum, a single parent on benefits with multiple children and different fathers is like an invitation for Child Protection here. We are even screening for Child Protection possible cases in early pregnancy!!
Oooh dear, don't start me on this subject, I will go on forever and ever! You will need more than a drink to get you through the post! So on that note, I bid you all goodnight from the UK, stay safe wherever you are. |
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westernwild
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| Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| jelibean wrote: | | westernwild wrote: | | Woodpecker wrote: | It has been written
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Tony Attwood has unambiguously proven that he supports hate crimes against us, but I'm sure that he considers his income and his reputation to be essential moral concerns. |
Would someone like to point out how Tony has supported hate crimes against the AS community, I know that Tony is smart but not always wise. The worst thing which I have found that he has done is to use Maxine Aston's work as a source of advice when writing one chapter of one of his books. |
By supporting Maxine Aston's unscientific made-up nonsense that has never been submitted for peer review and proper scientific analysis and by supporting the ignorant hate group FAAAS, he is supporting hate and bigotry against aspies in the courts (particularly family courts), employment, and in society in general. He should damn well know better and he needs to be called out on it. |
HE DOESN'T SUPPORT MAXINE ASTON'S NONSENSE!!!! Aggggghhhh, it was a word Tony MENTIONED that's all.....................................gosh what a mountain is being made out of this molehill.
WHY AREN'T YOU PETITIONING MAXINE ASTON THEN?? She is the deceiver in my opinion, WHY BLAME TONY ATTWOOD for someone else's unprofessionalism, unethical ways of practicing and ripping people off?
Maxine Aston in my opinion is a Charlatan, not qualified but bigging herself up to pretend she is some kind of expert when actually she is nothing.
Give me a petition to sign against MAXINE ASTON and I will gladly sign it, and what's more guarantee you of at least 100 signatures BUT TONY ATTWOOD?? No way, am I biting off the hand that helps us. You can stick your petition. I personally think those of you stirring this nasty little pot are creating a foul smell, something I don't want to be associated with.
And can anyone answer me this?? Does Tony know? Anyone asked him his postion or is all this being done behind his back?? Have you asked him if he supports FAAAS??? Maybe at the beginnning but I can't see evidence of it now?? BUT MY BIG QUESTION IS, DOES TONY KNOW ABOUT ALL THIS?? Anyone had the decency to ask him or are you all digging knives in him coz you haven't got anything better to do? Tony Attwood is one of the nicest professionals I have met, my opinion of his work will not change.
I am disgusted quite frankly. Get the order of attack right...............MAXINE ASTON is the target NOT TONY. Grrrrrr 
Not often a thread gets me soooooo angry but sadly this one has. |
Yes, Maxine must definitely be a target also, no question. But Attwood should be totally discrediting her and her nonsense, very publicly discrediting her, and attempting to stop the promotion of her nonsense and FAAAS's hateful bullshit. He has a golden opportunity to use his position and power to assist the people he claims to be an expert on. Instead, what does he do? Appear to give credence to her absurd nonscientific "syndrome" AND speak at FAAAS conferences!!! I'm sorry, but that deserves a calling-out, period.
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jelibean
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Morning westernwild, may I ask you with respect, when did Prof Attwood last attend a FAAAS conference?
Also where has he written about the 'CADD'? I would be very keen to see your references as I can find little or no information. As far as I recall his last attendance at a FAAAS conference was some years ago? So why the attack NOW. I know for sure he cancelled last year.
Maxine Aston? Again I would be keen to see references please, thanks.
You know guys there are nicer ways of asking people to clarify their situations or postitions. You don't have to get the daggers out and draw up dramatic petitions to gain attention? Doesn't Tony deserve better? He hasn't committed the crime of the century has he? Actually I don't see any evidence of ANY crimes having been committed so please quit the witchunt as that is my perception of this whole sorry mess, ask nicely and then maybe you will get an answer. Thank you. Have a good day.  |
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opal
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[quote="jelibean"][quote="opal"] | jelibean wrote: | | westernwild wrote: | | Woodpecker wrote: | It has been written
Tony Attwood is one of the nicest professionals I have met, my opinion of his work will not change.
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Then there's no use anyone trying to convince you otherwise. |
 Correct opal! thank you for taking time to read and understand!
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I think you missed the heavy dose of sarcasm in my post. You say your opinion will never change, yet you repeatedly ask people for evidence to change it. So which is it? |
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jelibean
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Ooh I saw the note of sarcasm ok opal. You obviously missed the point of MY WHOLE POST!  Might I suggest you read it again??
Seems you are unable to understand my post though! But hey I am not surprised, my comments are far too sophisticated for some The evidence is there, I don't need it, I have every bit here thanks. But maybe YOU need to see it!
Don't you get it opal, I don't need the evidence..................but I reckon YOU do!
When posters start making BIG assumptions and demanding experts take a certain course, it is UP to them to provide the EVIDENCE for the rest of us to believe?? I see no evidence being produced on behalf of the petitioners................................Doh!!!
But I can assure you I have extensively researched the Maxine Aston allegations and I have spent ages making sure of my facts..........so bring it on. You want clarification? Ask away.
Dr Attwood is being dragged into something that actually if you looked hard enough would see has nothing to do with him..................the petitioners are looking pathetic. Ooh by the way yes, the petition, doesn't look as though many have signed in the last few days!! Wonder why!
I am thinking of starting a petition AGAINST the petition. Ridiculous nonsense, haven't you lot got better things to do??Check out MAXINE ASTON she is a far more dangerous character to have on the loose in my opinion. Riding off the coatails of Tony and then stabbing him in the back soon as look at him. |
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HarryWilliams
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| Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 7:02 am Post subject: Well here's some facts: |
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HarryWilliams
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Question,
Will Tony Attwood be visiting Maxine Aston next week when he's in the UK?
Answer,
Does a fish piss in the water?
A reply from Attwood to Colin Revel from the London Autsitic Rights Movement:
Dear Colin
I would like to state quite clearly that having a diagnosis of autism or Asperger’s syndrome does not render a person automatically incapable of being a good partner and parent. Indeed, many of the people I know with autism and Asperger’s syndrome as clients and friends are exceptionally good parents and partners. Should a separation occur between partners and a Court examine the issue of custody of children and access then in my opinion, any decisions should be made on the basis of the abilities of each parent and not simply assume that a parent with autism or Asperger’s syndrome is incapable of being a good parent.
The term “Cassandra Affective Deprivation Disorder” has been coined by Maxine Aston. It is not an official diagnostic category. I do know that stress within a relationship between an adult with Asperger’s syndrome and their partner can lead to the neurotypical partner having signs of a clinical depression. Effective relationship counselling by a counsellor knowledgeable in the area of autism and Asperger’s syndrome can significantly improve the relationship and help alleviate the signs of depression.
According to my knowledge, there is no research to suggest that people with autism and Asperger’s syndrome are likely to be violent in a relationship to any greater degree than a typical person in the general population. I do know that a significant proportion of the clients that I see in my clinical practice express to me their concern in their ability to manage their temper but we now have programs such as Cognitive Behaviour Therapy to help those with autism and Asperger’s syndrome manage feelings such as anger. Problems with anger management also occur in the ordinary population but the nature of the treatment of difficulties with anger management must include an appreciation of the different experiences and cognitive profile of someone with an Autism Spectrum Disorder.
I have presented workshops for FAAAS for couples where one of the partners has a diagnosis of Asperger’s syndrome and in all my presentations, I have approached the issues in a very positive way examining strategies to make a successful relationship.
Best Wishes
Tony
Professor Tony Attwood
Professor Attwood (maybe, there's some doubt as to whether he is actually still a prof at Griffith University. And anyway, he was an "Ajunct Professor", not a tenured academic) has issued the blandest possible statement designed to satisfy primarily himself.
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jelibean
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[quote="HarryWilliams"]Question,
Will Tony Attwood be visiting Maxine Aston next week when he's in the UK?
Answer,
Does a fish piss in the water?
 So Harry, what are you trying to say? Have you any evidence of this or is this just another libel? |
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HarryWilliams
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| would accusing you of pimping for jacobs be a libel too? |
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aspi-rant
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CanyonWind
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| Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 5:59 am Post subject: |
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Great video, Tony.
I'd like to show it to my kids, but there's no telling when I'll ever get a chance to.
Because of scumbags like you.
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Did you say that wasn't proper? Did you march out on the track?
You were quiet, just like mice. And now you say that we're not nice.
Well thank you buddy for your advice...
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jelibean
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Harry.......yes it is and I will be reporting your post and copying all posts by you from now. I am sad to see such angry inappropriate posts from you. I used to love reading your blog which now I have decided not to read anymore  By using language like that, you alienate people, please don't do that because then no one will take you seriously.
CanyonWind........I agree amazing video, I am so sorry you can't see your kids to show them. I genuinely am. ( I promise that is no way sarcastic) I empathise as I nearly lost mine too many years ago. At the hands of a vicious Child Protection Team in the UK. I too like you was incandescent with anger, scared, desperate and lonely. Luckily for me, I kept my children. But how much did I have to endure during the 2yr process? How much damage did it do for me and my children? I have witnessed a woman having her son torn away from her by police and Social Services, heard the screams of fear, horror and desperation, it is horrific. So yes I can appreciate your being raw (I apologise if I misinterpret any of your feelings, it is just my hunch ok!). I am trying to understand your feelings truly. The only area I cannot agree with you is your reference to Tony Attwood. I promise I have researched this issue extensively and can see maybe a bigger picture? Tony is not the person to attack. He is one of the only professionals that DOESN'T judge us! So why are we JUDGING him? That aint fair surely. Tony Attwood is a kind man who gladly forwards many books, sadly Maxine Astons also. And that for me is a sticking point. I too would be pleased to see him publicly disassociate himself with her. For she is the one who is the Charlatan in my opinion. Her disgraceful unethical ways of practicing, advertising herself and taking money from the vulnerable is nothing short of heinous. And maybe he will, for now I know he is abroad lecturing so when he gets back to Australia and has time to respond I am sure he will. He has nothing to hide and nothing to be gained in staying silent. Let's wait and see, give it a bit longer maybe? No point in killing someone before we know the full picture (metaphorically speaking)
Poison spreads sadly, and even sadder to those who have no idea they have been infected. For me Tony Attwood has been infected and tarred with a brush that comes from Maxine Astons foul smelling paintpot.But I genuinely don't think he realises the extent of her smearing. So rather than treat the symptoms lets get to the root cause. Anyone out there want to poke their nose into Ms Astons dirty little operation? If you do let me know, I will support anything that exposes that. Then maybe once we have shown everyone what is going on, MAYBE you will find Tony and others distancing themselves. Bring it on anyone who wishes to do this. I am up for it. Scumbag? Not a word I would usually use but if you want to label anyone then please look at Maxine Aston FIRST. She is the root cause.
aspi-rant ........THANK YOU SO MUCH for posting that YOUTUBE. It was amazing, inspirational and I simply loved it. What a great guy Clay is. This is what we should be seeing, the positives, not the negatives. Look at that lad, how amazing is he and passion that no neurotypical could ever experience I reckon. And THANK YOU DR ATTWOOD, you are spot on, bullseye. EVERYTHING you said on there was accurate and totally correct. |
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HarryWilliams
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westernwild
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| jelibean wrote: | Harry.......yes it is and I will be reporting your post and copying all posts by you from now. I am sad to see such angry inappropriate posts from you. I used to love reading your blog which now I have decided not to read anymore By using language like that, you alienate people, please don't do that because then no one will take you seriously.
CanyonWind........I agree amazing video, I am so sorry you can't see your kids to show them. I genuinely am. ( I promise that is no way sarcastic) I empathise as I nearly lost mine too many years ago. At the hands of a vicious Child Protection Team in the UK. I too like you was incandescent with anger, scared, desperate and lonely. Luckily for me, I kept my children. But how much did I have to endure during the 2yr process? How much damage did it do for me and my children? I have witnessed a woman having her son torn away from her by police and Social Services, heard the screams of fear, horror and desperation, it is horrific. So yes I can appreciate your being raw (I apologise if I misinterpret any of your feelings, it is just my hunch ok!). I am trying to understand your feelings truly. The only area I cannot agree with you is your reference to Tony Attwood. I promise I have researched this issue extensively and can see maybe a bigger picture? Tony is not the person to attack. He is one of the only professionals that DOESN'T judge us! So why are we JUDGING him? That aint fair surely. Tony Attwood is a kind man who gladly forwards many books, sadly Maxine Astons also. And that for me is a sticking point. I too would be pleased to see him publicly disassociate himself with her. For she is the one who is the Charlatan in my opinion. Her disgraceful unethical ways of practicing, advertising herself and taking money from the vulnerable is nothing short of heinous. And maybe he will, for now I know he is abroad lecturing so when he gets back to Australia and has time to respond I am sure he will. He has nothing to hide and nothing to be gained in staying silent. Let's wait and see, give it a bit longer maybe? No point in killing someone before we know the full picture (metaphorically speaking)
Poison spreads sadly, and even sadder to those who have no idea they have been infected. For me Tony Attwood has been infected and tarred with a brush that comes from Maxine Astons foul smelling paintpot.But I genuinely don't think he realises the extent of her smearing. So rather than treat the symptoms lets get to the root cause. Anyone out there want to poke their nose into Ms Astons dirty little operation? If you do let me know, I will support anything that exposes that. Then maybe once we have shown everyone what is going on, MAYBE you will find Tony and others distancing themselves. Bring it on anyone who wishes to do this. I am up for it. Scumbag? Not a word I would usually use but if you want to label anyone then please look at Maxine Aston FIRST. She is the root cause.
aspi-rant ........THANK YOU SO MUCH for posting that YOUTUBE. It was amazing, inspirational and I simply loved it. What a great guy Clay is. This is what we should be seeing, the positives, not the negatives. Look at that lad, how amazing is he and passion that no neurotypical could ever experience I reckon. And THANK YOU DR ATTWOOD, you are spot on, bullseye. EVERYTHING you said on there was accurate and totally correct. |
Jesus Christ, Jelibean, OPEN YOUR EYES. What in the hell did Harry do that's report-worthy other than showing the truth about Dr. Phony? If you can't handle it, that's YOUR problem and not anyone else's. We've shown you direct proof of his continued involvement and professional association with FAAAS and what's-her-name-with-the-bullshit-made-up-disorder and you simply refuse to even acknowledge it. He's on FAAAS's advisory board. He's presented workshops for them (you know, the ones where they demonize and bash the AS partner and sanctify and elevate to sainthood the NT partner), he's discussed and acknowledged the bullshit CAD. What the hell more do you need? He is not our friend. He's had more than enough of an opportunity to use his name and status to discredit FAAAS and Aston's hateful bigoted bullshit and Aston's pimping for money by using a made-up UNSCIENTIFIC "disorder", and to assist those he's claimed to devote his "expertise" to. Instead, he's not only NOT done that, he CONTINUES TO ASSOCIATE WITH THEM, all the while placating us with bullshit platitudes. He's sold out, in other words. If you can't handle that, that's your own problem.
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westernwild
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| Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 10:41 am Post subject: Re: Well here's some facts: |
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Exactly, Harry, thank you. Dr. Phony has no business being on that hate group's board.
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