westernwild
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| EvilZak wrote: | | CelticGoddess wrote: | | I have no problem saying I'm a fan of Attwoods. I've talked to him on several occassions and he's done a lot of good in our area for getting schools to see the child, not the dx, and work on helping them reach their full potential instead of shuffling them off in a SpEd class and slapping more labels on them. |
The thing is this campaign isn't an attack on Tony Attwood as a whole, it's an attack on Tony Attwood's association with FAAAS. If he has his name removed from their "Professional Advisory Board", then I think most of us will be glad to declare him a valuable supporter of the autistic community again (depending on how long this thing goes on). As you can see here (http://www.faaas.org/doc.php?17,9,,341718p,faa256063,,,Index,map.html), he has not yet done so.
The public statement he has made is not sufficient - his name is still being used to promote the viewpoints he claims to oppose, by offering FAAAS a legitimacy it does not deserve. He could change this with a word. He has chosen not to.
I have no idea what Barbara's talking about when she mentions "threats of violence or stalking", unless she considers taking signatures at his conferences to be "stalking" - This has been an entirely civil campaign. I actually managed to talk to Tony personally about the issue, and it was a discussion with no bad feeling on either side - although getting him to commit in writing to some of the things he said in person has been difficult... |
EXACTLY, thank you! Until he disassociates himself with that hate group FAAAS, I simply will not believe that he has our best interests at heart.
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auntyjack
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There's no reason for Tony Attwood to care about my aspie daughter, since she's too young to have a credit card. |
I have been at a presentation where he left the audience in no doubt that we make terrible partners. One mother I know was in tears at the thought of her son's future. I signed the petition.
However one charge against Attwood is somewhat unjust. I was dxd by him and the process cost a lot less than any other I know of. As I live too far away to get support from his clinic, he directed a psych I went to for help with body language and did not charge me anything for that. He has also provided ongoing email and phone support when I have needed it and I know he does that for other clients too. I don't think he is a god, but I also don't think he is money hungry. I think it is more that he enjoys adulation. |
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BarbaraJ
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| auntyjack wrote: | | I think it is more that he enjoys adulation. |
No. He is just honest and good, and kind.
He doesn't need or welcome adulation.
Get your head around this notion, please. |
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BarbaraJ
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The blog's been deleted - which means that it's not possible to confirm or discuss any claims made about it.
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It was deleted after I copied and pasted it to Ari Ne'eman. As I did, in that case, to many others.
The defamation doesn't just go away because it's now been deleted. It remains. That's the issue with online defamation, Zak. Dates and times are recorded, and are frozen, as a snapshot. It can't be deleted at will.
And the emails of that hysterical defamation are frozen in my hard drive.
Ho hum........ 
So, if you want to say anything remotely threatening, ever, please don't do it in blogs or by email. That's my best advice. |
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EvilZak
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| BarbaraJ wrote: | The defamation doesn't just go away because it's now been deleted. It remains. That's the issue with online defamation, Zak. Dates and times are recorded, and are frozen, as a snapshot. It can't be deleted at will.
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I could probably go back and forth for several pages about whether or not things Harry said constitute defamation, but instead I'll simply reiterate my earlier point:
This petition was organised by Ari Ne'eman, with campaigns relating to the petition being organised through ASAN. Harry's agenda just simply isn't part of the discussion.
If you'd like to expand on why you consider Tony's endorsement of FAAAS via their professional advisory panel to be a non-issue, feel free - that's the topic at hand, after all. This other stuff is unrelated. |
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westernwild
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 1:17 am Post subject: |
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| BarbaraJ wrote: | | auntyjack wrote: | | I think it is more that he enjoys adulation. |
No. He is just honest and good, and kind.
He doesn't need or welcome adulation.
Get your head around this notion, please. |
I'm sorry, but I refuse to "get my head around that notion" until and unless he completely disassociates himself with FAAAS and, thus, stops promoting and perpetuating their hateful views and attempts to implement damaging policies against aspies. My son faces a difficult enough future, as smart and brilliant and funny and nice and charming as he is, because of hate groups like FAAAS and those "experts" who associate with them.
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westernwild
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 1:20 am Post subject: |
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| BarbaraJ wrote: | | EvilZak wrote: |
The blog's been deleted - which means that it's not possible to confirm or discuss any claims made about it.
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It was deleted after I copied and pasted it to Ari Ne'eman. As I did, in that case, to many others.
The defamation doesn't just go away because it's now been deleted. It remains. That's the issue with online defamation, Zak. Dates and times are recorded, and are frozen, as a snapshot. It can't be deleted at will.
And the emails of that hysterical defamation are frozen in my hard drive.
Ho hum........
Nice. So you care more about some questionable alleged "defamation" against Atwood by aspies who just want to hold him accountable for support of groups who are against them, than you do Atwood's defamation of us by his association with hate groups like FAAAS and his refusal to speak out against their hateful stereotyping and attempts to implement damaging policies, even giving "workshops" for them when their so-called "workshops" are nothing more than extended hatefests against aspies? Nice. 
So, if you want to say anything remotely threatening, ever, please don't do it in blogs or by email. That's my best advice. |
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CanyonWind
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 1:54 am Post subject: |
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| BarbaraJ wrote: | | auntyjack wrote: | | I think it is more that he enjoys adulation. |
No. He is just honest and good, and kind.
He doesn't need or welcome adulation.
Get your head around this notion, please. |
Sure, i believe you. I always believe everything some groupie says about the celebrity they worship. Nope, facts don't bother me, not when I got some groupie telling me to ignore them.
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So, if you want to say anything remotely threatening, ever, please don't do it in blogs or by email. That's my best advice. |
If you're trying to break my heart, you're not doing a very good job. I can't imagine how some puddle of sewage who's helping to force my daughters to get beat up and otherwise abused could cry and piss and moan about how they're being 'threatened."
I get threatened when my kids are threatened, so it's impossible to avoid the conclusion that you need to kiss my ass.
I don't care about your career. Come back when you stop hurting kids.
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They murdered boys in Mississippi. They shot Medgar in the back.
Did you say that wasn't proper? Did you march out on the track?
You were quiet, just like mice. And now you say that we're not nice.
Well thank you buddy for your advice...
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Jono
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 8:56 am Post subject: |
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Are there limitations as to who should sign this petition? What's the current status of it?
Oh, and just to let you know, that FAAAS group have also given a response:
http://www.faaas.org/doc.php?6,360,405967p,faa845937,,,Doc,news.html |
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westernwild
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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Jesus H. effing Christ, what a total crock of unadulterated untruthful backpedaling BULL[edited for censor override by sinsboldly] that so-called "statement" from FAAAS is. Just when I thought they couldn't sink any lower. They couldn't care less about getting services for adults with AS and making sure they get "official support", their only aim and concern is to demonize and bash AS adults, especially men, and to try to implement official policies AGAINST them, especially in family and domestic courts. Yeah, they want to "spread the word" about AS in adults, all right, so that they can then out, bash and demonize such adults. f***ing losers.
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westernwild
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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| CanyonWind wrote: | | BarbaraJ wrote: | | auntyjack wrote: | | I think it is more that he enjoys adulation. |
No. He is just honest and good, and kind.
He doesn't need or welcome adulation.
Get your head around this notion, please. |
Sure, i believe you. I always believe everything some groupie says about the celebrity they worship. Nope, facts don't bother me, not when I got some groupie telling me to ignore them.
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So, if you want to say anything remotely threatening, ever, please don't do it in blogs or by email. That's my best advice. |
If you're trying to break my heart, you're not doing a very good job. I can't imagine how some puddle of sewage who's helping to force my daughters to get beat up and otherwise abused could cry and piss and moan about how they're being 'threatened."
I get threatened when my kids are threatened, so it's impossible to avoid the conclusion that you need to kiss my ass.
I don't care about your career. Come back when you stop hurting kids. |
Amen!
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Jono
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| Westernwild, I think you've gotten so uptight about that statement from FAAAS that I posted a link to, that you completely missed the question I asked in my post. What is the current status of the petition? |
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westernwild
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| Jono wrote: | | Westernwild, I think you've gotten so uptight about that statement from FAAAS that I posted a link to, that you completely missed the question I asked in my post. What is the current status of the petition? |
I'm sorry, Jono, but I don't know what the current status of the petition is since I'm not in charge of it and didn't post it. I'd be curious to know that myself. Anyone know?
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westernwild
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| Jono wrote: | | Westernwild, I think you've gotten so uptight about that statement from FAAAS that I posted a link to, that you completely missed the question I asked in my post. What is the current status of the petition? |
I'm sorry, Jono, but I don't know what the current status of the petition is since I'm not in charge of it and didn't post it. I'd be curious to know that myself. Anyone know?
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EvilZak
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| Jono wrote: | | Westernwild, I think you've gotten so uptight about that statement from FAAAS that I posted a link to, that you completely missed the question I asked in my post. What is the current status of the petition? |
Still ongoing. Tony Attwood's currently on a speaking tour of The UK & US, which makes it a bit tricky to negotiate - hopefully when he returns things will move forward a bit quicker.
I'm hoping to have organised a bit more on-the-ground support for the campaign in Brisbane by that time, as I think it's very easy to ignore people signing petitions & sending emails, but not so easy to ignore a group of people collecting signatures at a conference.
To put it another way, the campaign will be ongoing until Tony removes his name from FAAAS's Professional Advisory Board, or at least until he gets some serious bad press from not doing so.
(To clarify, I'm not actually running the campaign - I'm just someone in contact with Ari who happens to live in Brisbane). |
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