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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: Truth Seekers Wanted |
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Posted: 12 Feb 2009, 8:58 pm
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| To NobelCynic, JoJerome, & Orwell, I know we can’t agree that objective justice (as I’ve described it) can be shown to exist. I assume you will agree that it cannot be shown not to exist? If so, can we then agree that almost the whole human race assumes that objective justice exists? – and that ... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: Truth Seekers Wanted |
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Posted: 12 Feb 2009, 3:05 am
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| What is objective justice ? As opposed to non-objective justice or non-justice. Objective justice (assuming that it exists) does not vary with diverse opinions. It implies that a given person at a given time should receive a certain reward or punishment regardless of what anyone thinks. E.g. It mea... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: Truth Seekers Wanted |
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Posted: 11 Feb 2009, 9:05 pm
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| While it may be true that they may challenge it, statements exist which are not challengeable, and any challenge of them is predicated on misunderstanding and ergo do not constitute genuine challenges. If someone misunderstands my statement, and therefore challenges it, I would call that challenge ... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: Truth Seekers Wanted |
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Posted: 11 Feb 2009, 8:03 pm
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| I think you are trying to create a maxim to find truth based on method Clarifier, and I don't think that is possible. I don’t think a single method exists for determining all truth, but methods definitely exist for determining some kinds of truth (e.g. logic), and I want to identify any methods tha... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: Truth Seekers Wanted |
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Posted: 11 Feb 2009, 5:37 pm
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| To JoJerome & Orwell, I think we agree that justice cannot be defined. Can we also agree that inability to define it does not negate its existence? If so, can we agree that there exists an objective concept of justice, despite the fact that none of us can prove that our own definition is objecti... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: Truth Seekers Wanted |
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Posted: 11 Feb 2009, 5:18 pm
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| To anybody who chooses to respond: Do you agree with the following statement? No statement is so clear that its clarity cannot be challenged by someone whose goal it is to challenge the clarity of statements. Yes. I would also agree with this one. No statement is so clear that it cannot be misunder... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: Existence of X |
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Posted: 08 Feb 2009, 9:01 pm
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| If the guilt that follows an unjust act neutralizes the pleasure obtained from it, you are not betting anything by giving them up. True, but if I had chosen to, I doubt that I would have had any more trouble annihilating my conscience than those who have obviously succeeded at it. The first decade ... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: Existence of X |
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Posted: 08 Feb 2009, 6:27 pm
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| If I am reading this correctly, the currency you are placing this bet with is you are willing to give up the pleasure injustice could bring you, in this life, in the hope of gaining entrance into this just afterlife. Have you considered the possibility that if you are not willing to do that anyway,... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: Truth Seekers Wanted |
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Posted: 06 Feb 2009, 12:39 pm
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To anybody who chooses to respond:
Do you agree with the following statement?
No statement is so clear that its clarity cannot be challenged by someone whose goal it is to challenge the clarity of statements – or at least that particular statement. |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: Truth Seekers Wanted |
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Posted: 06 Feb 2009, 12:30 pm
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| Justice is that which is deserved, which is reward or punishment based on adherence to moral principles. Of course, this leaves us with the problem of defining morality,... OK. I will accept your definition as adequate to continue the discussion until it proves otherwise. I will further grant you c... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: Truth Seekers Wanted |
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Posted: 06 Feb 2009, 3:39 am
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| I'll let you take the first try; I'm not interested in trying to propose a definition of justice. If you’ll accept an intuitive definition, I propose this: Justice is that which is deserved. That which is deserved is justice. A circular definition is all we've got, and in my opinion, all that's pos... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: Truth Seekers Wanted |
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Posted: 05 Feb 2009, 7:25 pm
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| There was once no proof of the existence of bacteria. Louis Pasteur used his common sense and intuition to discover these invisible life forms that were causing illness. Before germs were discovered, people thought Pasteur was a quack for thinking that invisible little animals were causing all the ... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: Truth Seekers Wanted |
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Posted: 05 Feb 2009, 6:57 pm
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| It's not premises - therefore conclusion. I'm trying to narrow participants to those with whom I’ll most likely have a worthwhile discussion. Most of the premises seem, as I said, self-evident and you are unlikely to filter many people out. Apparently ruveyn and JoJerome are filtered out, and I am ... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: Truth Seekers Wanted |
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Posted: 05 Feb 2009, 4:28 am
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| Most of those premises are fairly self-evident, but I don't see how they necessarily lead to the conclusion you seem to be endorsing. It's not premises - therefore conclusion. I'm trying to narrow participants to those with whom I’ll most likely have a worthwhile discussion. Obviously justice is co... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: Truth Seekers Wanted |
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Posted: 05 Feb 2009, 12:24 am
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| Do you agree with the following premises? ⋅ Objective truth and objective reality exist. ⋅ Some objective truth is knowable. ⋅ Some truth can be expressed in language. ⋅ Some declarative statements are true. ⋅ Logic is reliable for determining the co... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: Existence of X |
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Posted: 04 Feb 2009, 1:36 am
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Replies: 79
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| I repeat: Rather than try to chase you all over the abstract universe, I want to know where you stand before continuing. In your opinion: ⋅ Does morality/justice exist or not? If you say it doesn’t exist, you have no business talking about the nature of it. ⋅ If you say morality/... |
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