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22 Jul 2012, 9:01 am

for those who missed this one on the last page:


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FyEWbwBarQ[/youtube]


this is the greek alphabet as pronounce by the greek.


see? no pie… but pee. :!:



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22 Jul 2012, 9:08 am

Odd. Your link, http://www.goldennumber.net/pronouncing-phi/, gives links on to Merriam-Webster and Dictionary.com, both of which give solely the "fie" pronunciation - and neither even suggesting "fee" as an alternative (which the initial page suggests they both do.)

The dictionary.com page clearly gives http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/audi ... 356600.wav as the unique pronunciation. The Merriam-Webster also gives a whole load of "rhymes with" words.


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22 Jul 2012, 9:11 am

PS. Modern Greek has no bearing on how the letters are pronounced. The intention is that they are supposed to be the ancient Greek alphabet, even though no one really can be certain that they were pronounced that way.


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22 Jul 2012, 9:13 am

lau wrote:
Odd. Your link, http://www.goldennumber.net/pronouncing-phi/, gives links on to Merriam-Webster and Dictionary.com, both of which give solely the "fie" pronunciation - and neither even suggesting "fee" as an alternative (which the initial page suggests they both do.)

The dictionary.com page clearly gives http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/audi ... 356600.wav as the unique pronunciation. The Merriam-Webster also gives a whole load of "rhymes with" words.


then maybe the greek don't know how to pronounce their own language? ;-)

Merriam-Webster and Dictionary.com can't be wrong now… can they?

:lol:

Merriam-Webster and Dictionary.com assume that π (παι) and Φ (Φαι) pronounces as pai and fai.

the greek and the rest of the informed world know that that is wrong. :wink:



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22 Jul 2012, 9:17 am

lau wrote:
PS. Modern Greek has no bearing on how the letters are pronounced. The intention is that they are supposed to be the ancient Greek alphabet, even though no one really can be certain that they were pronounced that way.


then why do some countries assume that π was pronounced pai and not pee just as it is today????? wouldn't that be more straightforward to assume??

it is a complete lack of logic pronouncing π as pai! :lol:



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22 Jul 2012, 9:21 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvoNr0s5gec[/youtube]

another greek doing it wrong... :wink:



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22 Jul 2012, 9:21 am

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Where did you hear that, aspi-rant (nice profile pic, by the way)? My mom teaches latin/ancient greek, and she told me pi is phonetically exactly like pie... but that could just be so it's different from "p".


To lau: yeah! But it's weird to talk about circles on non-euclidian planes, cause then you have to go all riemannian...

All euclid's laws get messed up on non-euclidian planes. A triangle an have angles that sum greater (on positive curvature) or less than (on negative curvature) 180 degrees. If you an even call them angles... cause they're all curved and stuff.


Only Euclids 5th postulate (the parallel postulate) is not true in non-Euclidean geometries. The other 4 postulates still hold and most of the basic Euclidean theorems do not require the 5th postulate, so they will still hold in non-Euclidean space.

And since we live in a non-Euclidean geometry, it's not too far fetched to think of circles in non-Euclidean geometries.



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22 Jul 2012, 10:12 am

well sorry I messed that up. I'm not a mathematician :oops:



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22 Jul 2012, 10:48 am

aspi-rant wrote:
for those who missed this one on the last page:


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FyEWbwBarQ[/youtube]


this is the greek alphabet as pronounce by the greek.


see? no pie… but pee. :!:

That's how it's pronounced in french. In french too, "pie" is "tarte", so the wordplay don't work anyway.


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22 Jul 2012, 12:29 pm

Re: pronunciation of pi, I'm guessing it's because if you kept saying 'pee' in front of a bunch of schoolkids there would be too much giggling and it would generally be a waste of time. Also, pie tends to be delicious.



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22 Jul 2012, 1:25 pm

yeah, that makes absolutely perfect sense. Kinda what I was thinking
Except then in kindergarten when they learn the letter p there would probably be giggling too, so I don't see the problem as it's been around for ages already.



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22 Jul 2012, 1:51 pm

mglosenger wrote:
Re: pronunciation of pi, I'm guessing it's because if you kept saying 'pee' in front of a bunch of schoolkids there would be too much giggling and it would generally be a waste of time. Also, pie tends to be delicious.



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yeah, that makes absolutely perfect sense. Kinda what I was thinking
Except then in kindergarten when they learn the letter p there would probably be giggling too, so I don't see the problem as it's been around for ages already.



so one can say pee in english when referring to the letter P when learning the alphabet… but you can not say pee when referring to the letter ∏ when learning the greek alphabet ...


complete absence of logic. :lol:



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22 Jul 2012, 5:43 pm

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Merriam-Webster and Dictionary.com can't be wrong now… can they?

And the OED. And TheFreeDictionary (when used in mathematics). And Cambridge Dictionaries Online. And so on for another few dictionaries. http://www.onelook.com?w=pi

Can you give any dictionary that supports your choice to use a modern Greek pronunciation for the mathematical symbol we are talking about on this thread?


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23 Jul 2012, 2:38 am

lau wrote:
aspi-rant wrote:
Merriam-Webster and Dictionary.com can't be wrong now… can they?

And the OED. And TheFreeDictionary (when used in mathematics). And Cambridge Dictionaries Online. And so on for another few dictionaries. http://www.onelook.com?w=pi

Can you give any dictionary that supports your choice to use a modern Greek pronunciation for the mathematical symbol we are talking about on this thread?


go check every dictionary from every language you can imagine… most of them will tell you to pronounce π as pee

try:

dutch, danish, swedish, german, norwegian, french, spanish, italian, greek, austrian, finnish, icelandic, polish, portuguese, turkish, slovenian, lithuanian, etc etc etc…. or even latin! not a single one will tell you to call π for pai… they will all tell you to call π for pee… the same way the greek do, and always have done.

what you do is not very smart or logic; you check the dictionaries that confirm the way your language (english) pronounces a word or letter… the way you have learned it... not the way it should have been pronounced.

look also at related words like pico, cicero etc

do you say: paiko and saisero ? or peeko and seesero ? (i can assure you that most languages will use the latter two versions)



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23 Jul 2012, 3:22 am

aspi-rant wrote:
lau wrote:
aspi-rant wrote:
Merriam-Webster and Dictionary.com can't be wrong now… can they?

And the OED. And TheFreeDictionary (when used in mathematics). And Cambridge Dictionaries Online. And so on for another few dictionaries. http://www.onelook.com?w=pi

Can you give any dictionary that supports your choice to use a modern Greek pronunciation for the mathematical symbol we are talking about on this thread?


go check every dictionary from every language you can imagine… most of them will tell you to pronounce π as pee

try:

dutch, danish, swedish, german, norwegian, french, spanish, italian, greek, austrian, finnish, icelandic, polish, portuguese, turkish, slovenian, lithuanian, etc etc etc…. or even latin! not a single one will tell you to call π for pai… they will all tell you to call π for pee

Why should I? This is primarily an English speaking site.

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the same way the greek do, and always have done.

You would need to prove that. I doubt that you can.

aspi-rant wrote:

what you do is not very smart or logic; you check the dictionaries that confirm the way your language (english) pronounces a word or letter… the way you have learned it... not the way it should have been pronounced.

look also at related words like pico, cicero etc

do you say: paiko and saisero ? or peeko and seesero ? (i can assure you that most languages will use the latter two versions)

I say peeko and sissero. English adopts words from many languages, and sometimes adheres to one pronunciation or another, or a few at the same time. You should also check up on the many ways we pronounce "-ough": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ough_(orthography)


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