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You seem a little uninformed, thoguh its appreciated that you enunciate on why you dont like linux.



Reasonably, microsoft has somewhat crappy support for opengl. But as you can see, the console boxes use it quite extensively.

Literally, you can see what the end effect is going to be. OpenGL dominates the 3D market. Its pervasive in gaming the way microsoft is in computing. As 3D rendering continues to invade the devices like cell phones, you can expect the bulk of programmers to have more familiarity with it than directX.

Implied, opengl is every bit as much designed for gaming as directX is. It is the industry standard by virtue of having broader commercial support than microsofts proprietary and closed source directX.

I don't hate Linux, but the stupidity from both sides of the coin is amazing.

Just use your computer and shut up.

But.... but....

Linux rocks the embedded world

I don't use mine for a server

What if you are runing an embedded controller?

Right now I'm back to OSX because one of my floormates told me horror stories about how he fried his processor because Linux runs too hot on many laptops. I've heard that OpenSUSE runs cooler, so I might try that out later. I also might give Arch a spin when I have more free time (about to start a really rough semester of college here, so can't afford to be messing with distro-hopping just now) since that's what my floormate, who has used most distros it seems, recommended.

Missing Ubuntu. I actually think Ubuntu/GNOME has a nicer GUI than OSX. And it's faster. But it runs hotter and my uni's network doesn't like it.

EDIT: However, I am going to try installing Windows XP and see how that goes.

Last edited by Orwell on 25 Aug 2008, 8:10 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Bull, an OS can't overheat a CPU.

I'm not sure exactly what the deal is, but my case is not unique. Ubuntu (and several other Linux distros) run noticeably hotter than either Mac OSX or Windows (XP or Vista) on a number of laptops, and many people run into overheating problems with them. Again, a guy on my floor completely fried his machine by running Linux on it, though he still uses Linux on his desktop machine at home. BTW, I asked him and he said there was nothing he could do in Windows that he couldn't do in Linux, but there was stuff he could do in Linux that he either couldn't do in Windows, or was more of a hassle to do in Windows.

I guess my laptop is one of the lucky ones then, Ubuntu causes no heat problems on it.

Unless it can control the fan, I doubt it could kill the CPU.

A couple times I've found my Macbook (when it should be asleep) somehow having the screen lit up even though the laptop lid was closed and with the fan going at ridiculous speeds, and also the comp being VERY hot to the touch. And that's not even as bad as some others- Toshibas are notorious for overheating even in Windows, and I've heard they have all kinds of trouble with Linux. But, the newer kernel (2.6.26 I think?) supposedly does not have that problem. I'll test a newer distro out when I have more time on my hands. For now, Mac OSX and soon-to-be Windows XP.

I have one of those notorious Toshibas you mentioned. It runs a tetch hotter in ubuntu, I'd say 3 or 4 degrees. But, it's more stable. The fans seem to come on far more often now.

Sometimes, overheating can be fixed by updating BIOS. Between that and the OS switch, Toby here hasn't shut down unless I tell him to for about 3 weeks. It used to be a daily thing since I live in a brick oven.

Laptops will almost always find a way to overheat. It's just finding a way to make them not. I set my screen settings to turn off the screen after 30 mins, it goes to a blank screensaver after ten. And I have him propped up on a metal TV tray with holes cut out so the fans get better airflow. And I removed the fanguards on the bottom. I get more fuzzies that way, but the guards on here were a joke. It was like aluminium cheesecloth.

Sounds like a hardware issue for your friend. A CPU has got to get really friggin hot to fry. The modern intel chips contain a fail safe that watch for a delta change per second. over 1 degree or something and they should shut down. Its purely bios driven, so the OS should not have an effect there. Over 80c and it should shut down. You can possibly check the settings for that in your bios.

Some of the older AMDs fail because of that. They dont have as good of support for the fail safe.

The only other thing i can think of is if the CPU fan failed suddenly. Even in that case, the heat sink should supress the heat spike and the bios shut it down.

I guess it could run the fan more aggressively and thus collect dust and fuzz faster.

Is there any data on what causes this though?

This is the closest I can find.

http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux- ... aptop.html
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-re ... 58639.html

My old acer laptop would not install ubuntu. I had to clean it for dust several times before it would complete the partitions. Now it runs great. Its an acer Travelmate 4650.
I was getting close to pulling the hard drive and installing it on another machine.

Another thing that can go wrong is the thermal paste can get hard and separate from the CPU.

Back on Ubuntu... I just couldn't take OSX's user interface. It's so clumsy and messy. And applications stay open unless you go really out of your way to close them, and then you end up with about ten apps running simultaneously even while you're only using one, which slows your comp down a ton.

I agree - an operating system should not affect temperature. If you're having problems with the screen, did you tell it to blank the screen when you put the lid down? If so I'm guessing the Linux kernel has no way of knowing when the lid goes down.

Yes, I told it to blank the screen when the lid goes down. And it does- but sometimes it will come back on later, which can really suck if I'm not there. And it's not just when it's sleeping- Ubuntu runs hotter than OSX for everyday tasks. I don't know why, but I've heard that newer kernel versions don't have that problem.