Big bang machine (LHC) sets smashing new record

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Big bang machine (LHC) sets smashing new record


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11 Dec 2009, 2:39 am

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I think of Christopher LLoyed as the nutty professor in -Back to the Future-. 1.8 Teravolts!! ! My God!!

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11 Dec 2009, 6:30 am

I'm about to drop some particle physics in da club.


Awesome news, here's to finding the Higgs boson sometime soon.



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11 Dec 2009, 9:03 am

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I'm about to drop some particle physics in da club.


Awesome news, here's to finding the Higgs boson sometime soon.


I am betting that they won't.

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I think of Christopher LLoyed as the nutty professor in -Back to the Future-. 1.8 Teravolts!! ! My God!!
... and 3.5 TeV next year :!:


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11 Dec 2009, 2:33 pm

ruveyn wrote:
TheKingsRaven wrote:
I'm about to drop some particle physics in da club.


Awesome news, here's to finding the Higgs boson sometime soon.


I am betting that they won't.

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Well if they don't, theoretical particle physicists would have to think of another mechanism for electro-weak symmetry breaking.Whether or not they do find the Higgs, I'm hoping that they will also find supersymmetry as supersymmetric particles like neutralinos are leading candidates for dark matter.



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11 Dec 2009, 5:07 pm

How about geometric structures in a topological quantum set theory for the symmetry breaking!

Btw, no Higgs, sorry. The standard model is ridiculous, it's more like a mad-lib than a sound theoretical construct.

The Tevatron found something that fits pretty well what I predicted though, anti-down/up/anti-up/down tetraquark combination that should be a stable dark matter candidate.

Hoping the LHC picks up more of them, it's been a year since I first suggested it. I'm tired of sitting on the edge of my seat.



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12 Dec 2009, 3:04 am

Jono wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
TheKingsRaven wrote:
I'm about to drop some particle physics in da club.


Awesome news, here's to finding the Higgs boson sometime soon.


I am betting that they won't.

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Well if they don't, theoretical particle physicists would have to think of another mechanism for electro-weak symmetry breaking.Whether or not they do find the Higgs, I'm hoping that they will also find
supersymmetry as supersymmetric particles like neutralinos are leading candidates for dark matter.


Adversity breeds strong character. Science is at its best when it is stymied. Think of where physics was just before Planck when the equipartition of energy principle was found out to be wrong. The result: someone (Max Planck) invented quantum physics. Hard times make for hard muscles.

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12 Dec 2009, 11:18 am

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Science is at its best when it is stymied.
I don't agree.


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12 Dec 2009, 12:07 pm

Remember the wise words of Dr. Isaac Asimov, who said, "The most exciting phrase in science isn't 'Eureka!' - it's 'Gee, that's funny...'"


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Science must progress, whether in big or small steps, every step is good since we learn.


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12 Dec 2009, 12:44 pm

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ruveyn wrote:
Science is at its best when it is stymied.
I don't agree.


Consider where physics was just before Planck. All of the current theories of radiation were failing to predict specific heat correctly, they were predicting ultraviolet radiation from burning wood or red hot iron (the so-called ultra violet catastrophe). They were completely stymied by radioactivity discovered by Beqrel. Maxwell's electrodynamics could not account for the stability of atoms. It took these show stopper problems to inspire the like of Planck and Einstein to completely up-end physics.

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12 Dec 2009, 5:50 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Adversity breeds strong character. Science is at its best when it is stymied. Think of where physics was just before Planck when the equipartition of energy principle was found out to be wrong. The result: someone (Max Planck) invented quantum physics. Hard times make for hard muscles.

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True, but we will see when the results come out. Either way, we will learn something.



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12 Dec 2009, 6:21 pm

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How about geometric structures in a topological quantum set theory for the symmetry breaking!

Btw, no Higgs, sorry. The standard model is ridiculous, it's more like a mad-lib than a sound theoretical construct.

The Tevatron found something that fits pretty well what I predicted though, anti-down/up/anti-up/down tetraquark combination that should be a stable dark matter candidate.

Hoping the LHC picks up more of them, it's been a year since I first suggested it. I'm tired of sitting on the edge of my seat.


The scientists do hope to found something that will allow them to go beyond the standart model. The worst thing that could happen is discovering... nothing.


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14 Dec 2009, 1:38 pm

Well, the Higgs is worse than finding nothing, cause then we're left with a crappy theory that explains none of it's parameters, but works arbitrarily.

Like a mad lib.


Btw, Planck posited the quanta hypothesis, Einstein posited that it applied to physical reality.

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The history of quantum mechanics[12] began essentially with the 1838 discovery of cathode rays by Michael Faraday, the 1859 statement of the black body radiation problem by Gustav Kirchhoff, the 1877 suggestion by Ludwig Boltzmann that the energy states of a physical system could be discrete, and the 1900 quantum hypothesis by Max Planck that any energy is radiated and absorbed in quantities divisible by discrete ‘energy elements’, E, such that each of these energy elements is proportional to the frequency ν with which they each individually radiate energy, as defined by the following formula:

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where h is Planck's Action Constant. Planck insisted[13] that this was simply an aspect of the processes of absorption and emission of radiation and had nothing to do with the physical reality of the radiation itself. However, at that time, this appeared not to explain the photoelectric effect (1839), i.e. that shining light on certain materials can function to eject electrons from the material. In 1905, basing his work on Planck’s quantum hypothesis, Albert Einstein[14] postulated that light itself consists of individual quanta. These later came to be called photons (1926).From Einstein's simple postulation was born a flurry of debating, theorizing and testing, and thus, the entire field of quantum physics.


Planck was somewhat right, and somewhat wrong. I know Einstein never intended for people to consider light as if the particle/wave duality meant it actually consists of particles, instead of BEHAVING like it does.


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